tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post8335271954941205865..comments2023-09-05T09:06:09.136-05:00Comments on Atop the Fourth Wall: Star Trek V: The Final FrontierLewis Lovhaughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06724769374732321363noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-71047680481760850392013-05-26T00:59:06.216-05:002013-05-26T00:59:06.216-05:00Kirk fighting Mephisto to rescue Peter Parker and ...Kirk fighting Mephisto to rescue Peter Parker and MJ's marriage... I could get behind that.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420824408374755543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-37197503151610836402013-05-13T03:17:53.011-05:002013-05-13T03:17:53.011-05:00Well, the comic does seem to be much of an improve...Well, the comic does seem to be much of an improvement over the actual film, given that scenes are shortened or . Sadly, though, I don't think it's much of an improvement.<br /><br />Anyway, good review of this comic adaptation. Can't wait for Star Trek 6.Mingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-10750404550189849852013-05-13T02:10:24.417-05:002013-05-13T02:10:24.417-05:00Am I the only one who took offense to yet another ...Am I the only one who took offense to yet another DC Reboot dig? Seriously, this is starting to become an Author Tract... or Author Fillibuster....<br /><br />Whatever it may be, it shows too much bias for a reviewer, and when a reviewer shows too much bias, the review suffers for it. 'Course, all reviews are biased to begin with, but it's when the bias starts to interfere with the review itself that it becomes a problem.<br /><br />Take Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation for example. Hates Nintendo. Hates America. Will storm up and down the halls proclaiming how much he hates them. This starts to negatively affect his reviews as some point, making them something one has to trudge through, or worse, a reason to quit watching the show altogether.<br /><br />I trust you, Linkara. And while I'm aware the definition of genius held by many is "thinks like me, but more so," you've been pretty smart. Please don't make me stop following you, I'm already three weeks behind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-42990227063865137962013-05-10T00:25:13.659-05:002013-05-10T00:25:13.659-05:00This is slightly off topic, but every time I see a...This is slightly off topic, but every time I see a comic character with youngblood's disease I think of some of Joe Mariscal's ceramic work. <br />On Topic, I'm leaving the Star Trek discussion to the pros here. Ariannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-35007070153620625912013-05-01T23:09:02.807-05:002013-05-01T23:09:02.807-05:00I kind of want to see the in-character reaction to...I kind of want to see the in-character reaction to a Deep Space Nine comic now, where Linkara is forced to confront the comic version of the Second Fleet arriving onscreen at the end of "Call to Arms" or the Starfleet charge in "Sacrifice of Angels". <br /><br />"And we all know it'll just be the <i>Defiant</i>-WHAT THE FUNK AND WAGNEL."NGTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-22334335853035082232013-05-01T11:09:50.219-05:002013-05-01T11:09:50.219-05:00Unfortunately, I have fallen behind on my AT4W vie...Unfortunately, I have fallen behind on my AT4W viewings so I apologize for the late comment. <br /><br />But now that we have gotten that out of the way, you have brought up a lot of pretty good points. What was the point of making Uhura do a strip-tease for Sybok's followers? In addition to being degrading, that could have put her in danger. If anything, they could have just crept up on them and incapacitated the group before they could react. But we can at least be thankful that it wasn't as much of a love letter to Captain Kirk as Justice League: Act of God was for Batman.<br /><br />I've never heard about books that mostly focused on the character of Q. If I may ask, is it a good read?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13881676830017749078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-14656318523300694752013-04-25T01:21:44.485-05:002013-04-25T01:21:44.485-05:00"OH NO. AGEISM.
ENGAGE TUMBLR SOCIAL JUSTICE..."OH NO. AGEISM.<br /><br />ENGAGE TUMBLR SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR MODE. THAT'LL SHOW THEM."<br /><br />OH NO. ANONYMOUS POSTER.<br /><br />ENGAGE "NOT GIVING A DAMN" MODE.Lewis Lovhaughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06724769374732321363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-47371579443015655522013-04-25T00:56:07.936-05:002013-04-25T00:56:07.936-05:00OH NO. AGEISM.
ENGAGE TUMBLR SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRI...OH NO. AGEISM.<br /><br />ENGAGE TUMBLR SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR MODE. THAT'LL SHOW THEM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-64927678266834744082013-04-22T13:01:09.991-05:002013-04-22T13:01:09.991-05:00I had fallen behind on the AT4W videos, and I'...I had fallen behind on the AT4W videos, and I've spending time catching up, so sorry if this is a little late.<br /><br />I can't believe you referenced "The Q Continuum" novels! I have never heard another living soul talk about them before. I read them many years ago, and even today, they remain one of my favorite novels in the Star Trek Extended Universe, not to mention one of my favorite trilogies of all time. I'm happy to know that you know of The One and was able to put the connection together of him and "God" beyond the Barrier.<br /><br />I love those books because you get to see some of Q's past, and why he is the way he is. Because Q is one of my favorite Star Trek characters, I enjoy any episode, or novel that he's in (except Q in Voyager, and the novel Q-Squared...those are awful in my opinion). I love how you see the three other god-like beings who get the younger Q to follow along with their schemes. The One, 0, and (*) (however you pronounce that, I always called it "Star", though I think he's the Beta XII-A entity form the TOS episode "Day of the Dove") had a major influence on Q and we see how he came to regret some of his actions. You get some real character development for Q beyond what they have on the shows.<br /><br />Sure, it's non-canon, but in my mind it fits the Q we see from the shows, and in my own mind, I consider it canon.<br /><br />Sorry for nerding out on you like this, but I'm just excited that someone else has read those books. I may read them again now just because you referencing them has got me thinking about it. Maybe even do a review of them on my blog. <br /><br />Thanks, Linkara! You're awesome! Andrew Ronzinohttp://greaterthanknowledge.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-46071374085344065362013-04-21T06:53:38.181-05:002013-04-21T06:53:38.181-05:00I should have said more earlier in the week but th...I should have said more earlier in the week but the movie is screwy and the comic at least tried to make a bit more sense of it.FugueforFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01034098044002001893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-77471791977580646652013-04-21T02:40:00.069-05:002013-04-21T02:40:00.069-05:00Wow. It’s been too long since I commented, though...Wow. It’s been too long since I commented, though I’ve kept watching. It’s interesting to see this review of the comic of one of only two Star Trek films I don’t like. (The other is Insurrection; yes, I’m OK with both the original and Nemesis.) ST5 is one of the few I try to avoid, rather than not seek out. But what intrigued me was your synopsis actually made it seem inoffensive -- everything but Shatner’s quotes. There were many wrong things, but the wrongness rarely bothered me. It really was the details and how they were handled that made the film not work for me. (Though I agree with Alexander Chance and CatC that the McCoy pain scene was pretty good.) That’s different from Insurrection, where it was a lot of the details I enjoyed (including Gilbert and Sullivan as a weapon but not including breast jokes) but the overall story was the big problem. Or, well, I actually thought the Son’a were OK villains; it was the Ba’ku who didn’t work, as SFDebris chronicled.<br /><br />One thing that isn’t small is the conflict between ST5 and Voyager. Central to this movie is that traveling to the center of the galaxy from one its spiral arms takes, to be charitable, a few days. Whereas traveling a distance only a few times greater, with more advanced engines, would take 70 years. That is one thing that does bother me. Even ignoring Voyager, making it a quick trip to the center of the galaxy feels wrong. <br /><br />I always had a problem with “Why does God need a spaceship?” not merely because they had already met a god(-like alien) who wanted their starship in TOS, but because there have been many mythologies with powerful gods who still needed transport. Now, a transcendent, omnipresent deity as this thing is pretending to be, OK. That makes the question technically valid. But it always struck me as odd. In no way did that question fit in with Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.<br /><br />Funny that in the time after you released this, SFDebris released his “Way to Eden” review. I’m surprised he didn’t mention Sha Ka Ree at all in it.<br /><br />That reminds me, might I recommend, Linkara, that along with the adaptations of the Trek movies, you also review the comic prequels to the to the J.J. Trek movies -- Countdown to Star Trek and Countdown Into Darkness. (Don’t let the “Countdown” in their names get you down.) In fact, if you’re still looking for a crossover with SFDebris (if those 2 lines of his didn’t satiate you), these might work well. You’re looking at every comic adaptation; he’s looking at every Trek film, but the Countdown comics connect to both of the J.J. movies, adding to the stories, while being distinct. I think these reviews would serve as useful supplementals to both of your main series. The Tremblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-38782155133551301982013-04-20T19:28:23.530-05:002013-04-20T19:28:23.530-05:00Don't worry Lewis, I didn't feel like your...Don't worry Lewis, I didn't feel like your Schlock reference had to go all that far. Heck, the *first thing* that came to mind when I heard that the god thingy was at the "galactic core" was what Petey would make of him.CoreDumpErrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06260355049353846450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-40772592193908282052013-04-18T20:05:27.747-05:002013-04-18T20:05:27.747-05:00I've always had a different theory on "Go...I've always had a different theory on "God" in this movie, this one using canon sources. In the Next Gen episode "The Nth Degree" an alien probe gives Barcaly a vastly superior intellect which he uses to upgrade the ship's propulsion system to allow it travel a great distance where they encounter a Cytherian (?). The alien is represented as simply a ghostly head on the ship's bridge. The alien is an explorer but unlike the Federation it doesn't "seek out new life" it brings it in through this probe. The alien and the Enterprise spend some time with the alien in a cultural and technological exchange and is sent back to Federation space unharmed, Barcaly returned to normal and not retaining the knowledge he had gained. Presumably the technological leaps he achieved were undone too without record. It's my theory the "God" we see in this movie is an imprisoned Cytherian who did something similar to Sybok in hopes of escaping. This "might" explain how the Enterprise got to the center of the galaxy so quickly (which through TNG was retconed to being unreachable in a short time like we see in the movie.) Sybok "could have" encountered a similar probe and had a similar experience as Barcaly and given knowledge that temporarily gave the Enterprise greater speed and range that... somehow pulled the Klingons with it.... That somehow was all done again at the end of the movie... and then somehow forgotten. Okay, it all falls apart there. This is why I pretty much ignore STV and pretend it never happened. ;)Trekker4747https://www.blogger.com/profile/01096979621237093458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-16456325855767993262013-04-17T21:16:19.706-05:002013-04-17T21:16:19.706-05:00This may have been mentioned, but I figured the fl...This may have been mentioned, but I figured the floating head/energy being was kind of explained a little in Star Trek TNG - The Nth Degree, where Barclay came into contact with an alien probe, became an extreme genius and sends the Enterprise D on a massive jump to the center of the galaxy, and meets a race of floating heads/energy lifeforms known as the Cytherians. <br /><br />And I figured, based on this, that the god impersonator was really a prisoner of the cytherians, where he committed some series crime of his people and they imprisoned him on that planet, and formed the barrier to prevent him from leaving. Just saying...Josh Posthttp://coljonsquall1.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-53624508530612239752013-04-17T10:22:59.018-05:002013-04-17T10:22:59.018-05:00"But Uhura even in the movies is described as..."But Uhura even in the movies is described as one of the toughest, but nicest characters on the series. Someone you'd never expect to get around. Not saying that she doesn't have a sex life, she is human. But despite continuity differences and mind control I am just surprised she got 3 out of the original 7 whether she did it knowingly or not."<br /><br />That has less to do with the character and more to do with writers thinking, "Well, the one woman on the crew has to hook up with SOMEBODY." And I frankly don't think you can call it getting around, when a) you're referring to two different continuities, and thus two different versions of the character who have nothing to do with the other's love life, and b) in the continuity where she kissed two of those people, she was only mentally consenting to one of them, and it didn't spark an actual relationship. That equals her having ONE ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP per continuity.<br /><br />And exactly why are you making such a big deal of her making out with three of the "main crew"? Last time I checked, three out of seven was a minority. You act like she was close to "getting" everybody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-70298395942661891592013-04-16T15:59:36.541-05:002013-04-16T15:59:36.541-05:00"Again, the original Uhura only had ONE conse..."Again, the original Uhura only had ONE consensual relationship (that we know about) and that's with Scotty. And even if there had been more, who cares? You're seriously gonna judge her, when Kirk has had relations with multiple women throughout the show?" Yes yes I am and I'll tell you why. At least with Kirk we know he gets around it's a bigger trademark than his belief in beating a no win scenario. But Uhura even in the movies is described as one of the toughest, but nicest characters on the series. Someone you'd never expect to get around. Not saying that she doesn't have a sex life, she is human. But despite continuity differences and mind control I am just surprised she got 3 out of the original 7 whether she did it knowingly or not.Shanethefilmmakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11029054564992540263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-646462070379170842013-04-16T11:54:43.225-05:002013-04-16T11:54:43.225-05:00Captain Kirk fighting the Devil? Well, that wouldn...Captain Kirk fighting the Devil? Well, that wouldn't have been too far off seeing how often he ran into omnipotent beings that may or may not have been whorshipped as gods in the past.<br />(Though I hope that devil would've been a guy in a rubber suit in best Gorn fashion XD )<br /><br />And yeah, the movie has its problems. It has some decent character bits and hints at an intriguing idea, but the execution was - lacking...<br /><br />You'd also think that after almost a dozen movies, they'd finally realize that "We're the only ship in range!" (and other silliness) is way worse than just doing what the TV shows do: Have the Enterprise fly around and basically run into the movie plot. Then they truly are the first ship in range - for logical reasons, no less.<br /><br />As for Into Darkness: It almost took me the whole trailer to realize this is supposed to be Star Trek. And do we really need ANOTHER revenge story?Doreshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287649794589606798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-71898131383324896022013-04-16T03:29:46.637-05:002013-04-16T03:29:46.637-05:00I always found Sybock to be a highly underrated an...I always found Sybock to be a highly underrated antagonist. He had a lot of character and rather than personal gain, he wanted to help others and thought his mission was a worthy one, and when push came to shove and he saw the horrible mistake he made, he stepped up and challenged a godlike being to a battle of psychic will just to give his brother a chance to get away. <br /><br />So many people nowadays misguidedly try to copy Khan, when Star Trek has much more than scenery-chewing epic baddies to offer the heroes as an antagonist. <br /> <br />Sybock, along with a few genuinely touching moments (McCoy reliving his father's death, the "You were never alone" at the end, etc...)help make a terrible movie still warm and enjoyable in spite of its (many, numerous, huge, glaring) flaws. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733092136405275237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-17161429217190879682013-04-16T02:43:36.349-05:002013-04-16T02:43:36.349-05:00@Shanethefilmmaker
Scotty and Uhura? I am sorry, ...@Shanethefilmmaker <br /><i>Scotty and Uhura? I am sorry, but now I have to say this Uhura really gets around.</i><br />Um no...not really?<br /><i>I mean first there was the that controversial Kiss heard round with Kirk on the show.</i><br />The kiss between Kirk and Uhura was involuntary. They were forced to do it by others with telekinesis.<br /><i>Second there was her and Spock on the Reboot series.</i><br />That was a completely different Uhura, in a completely different universe and timeline, so I don't see how that's relevant here. She would sometimes flirt with Spock in the original series but it never went beyond that (as far as we know).<br /><i> Now Scotty in Star Trek V? She's a Sulu, Pike, Chekov and McCoy away from having the entire main crew. I mean wow....just wow.</i><br />Again, the original Uhura only had ONE consensual relationship (that we know about) and that's with Scotty. And even if there had been more, who cares? You're seriously gonna judge her, when Kirk has had relations with multiple women throughout the show?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-35273124707874296532013-04-16T01:52:43.431-05:002013-04-16T01:52:43.431-05:00Good review, and great that you gave credit that t...Good review, and great that you gave credit that the comic streamlined the movie to make marginally better sense story-wise. The scene at the end where McCoy and Spock discuss the existence of God and who put the Great Barrier in place, it was in the novelization and I'm glad that it was in the comic. The movie cut a lot of characterization, especially with Captain Klaw and the intrigues onboard his ship involving the leggy officer, and it reduced the Klingons to, to not even two dimensional villain standees. The comic was how the movie should have gone, really. But...I'm a little surprised that you didn't comment that the writer adapting the comic was Peter "Incredible Hulk and X-Factor" David. That actually explains why the comic was better than the movie!Daver!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04992672901302553705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-43824378672197175312013-04-16T01:50:51.720-05:002013-04-16T01:50:51.720-05:00"And as a result, some of them were vastly im..."And as a result, some of them were vastly improved as a result." *Insert Plan 9 From Outer Space clip here.*<br /><br />It's interesting to see that for all the poorly executed ideas that Shatner had, some of them weren't half bad such as the rock monster and even the end where Kirk remembers his brothers. Of course, for most the negatives outweigh the positives, especially the "Kirk is a one-man army" deal (thank goodness someone was there to restrain him, even if it meant cutting out some ideas worth exploring).Rexaura888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-60429945774655337942013-04-16T01:35:17.082-05:002013-04-16T01:35:17.082-05:00What I took away from this review is that this cou...What I took away from this review is that this could have been a halfway decent comic had Star Trek V been a better movie. I am inclined to agree with that sentiment, simply because STV is easily the worst of the TOS movies and a strong contender for worst overall Trek film. I'm actually very glad that the TOS crew got to do that sixth film to finish out their Trek careers.<br /><br />With all that in mind, I think The Final Frontier is a guilty pleasure for quite a few Trek fans, myself included, even if most of us won't openly admit to it. As badly as it came out in the end, it does have its moments. Having Kirk, Spock, and McCoy sing "Row Row Row Your Boat" was one of my favorite Trek scenes, and it's hard to not at least remember the "What does God need with a starship?" routine. That's a good second to the "Khan" scream from The Wrath of Khan.<br /><br />But yeah, this sounds like it was a bad comic more due to bad source material than anything.<br /><br />Thanks again for another wonderful review, Linkara.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693685124142750455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-59331614989668018132013-04-15T23:20:20.697-05:002013-04-15T23:20:20.697-05:00"If you continue with Star Trek comics period..."If you continue with Star Trek comics periodically, are you eventually going to review the Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover when it comes out in... I think May?"<br /><br />...You do realize that comic already came out and finished, right? I just bought the trade last week.Lewis Lovhaughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06724769374732321363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-63739761539134843592013-04-15T22:52:35.436-05:002013-04-15T22:52:35.436-05:00Can someone explain to me the whole "guilty p...Can someone explain to me the whole "guilty pleasure" thing? If you know it's bad and enjoy it just because yo uthink it's enjoyaby bad, why do you feel guilty about it?Haglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15034650986951291367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-25031669002843374442013-04-15T22:46:01.602-05:002013-04-15T22:46:01.602-05:00That was a very funny review. And I agree, the co...That was a very funny review. And I agree, the comic was much better than the movie. <br />I will admit to a scene I found compelling in the movie was McCoy and his ending his father's life then a cure being found. For his character it made a lot of sense since he, as a doctor and a human being, has shown his choice for life over death again and again.<br /><br />The adding Spock wanting to go with is very unsmart.<br /><br />Also, nice um, don't know what kind of joke it is, continuity joke, about the 'You still owe me ten bucks.'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09139941818637196445noreply@blogger.com