tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post7329686515555901746..comments2023-09-05T09:06:09.136-05:00Comments on Atop the Fourth Wall: Ultimatum #5Lewis Lovhaughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06724769374732321363noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-73693562481974122962012-04-14T18:00:19.137-05:002012-04-14T18:00:19.137-05:00Oh, forgot to add. While stuff does happen in the ...Oh, forgot to add. While stuff does happen in the tie-ins that isn't mentioned in the main comic, it isn't actually anything important. No seriously, the plotlines you didn't see finished were all completely pointless (well, they killed a few more people, but I guess you expected that)ramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-46877078220536926622012-04-14T17:57:17.725-05:002012-04-14T17:57:17.725-05:00I am posting.... FROM THE FUTURE!
Anyway, just sa...I am posting.... FROM THE FUTURE!<br /><br />Anyway, just saw the video, and thought I'd comment on a few things (I'm a rather big fan of the ultimate universe myself). Some of the comments here will also apply to the ultimates 3 review, since the two are pretty close.<br /><br />First of all, a few continuity errors that haven't been mentioned yet:<br />- Thor's powers actually come from his belt and hammer.<br />- Magneto already learned about the origin of mutants in ultimates 3.<br />- Doom thinks Magneto wouldn't have the willpower to destroy the world. Up till this point in ultimate comics, there have only been 2 major operations by Magneto: In the first x-men story arc, he was just about to blow up the entire united states, in return of the king, he was going to tilt the earth's axis (more on that later)<br />- Magneto thinking that all of humanity was destructive. In return of the king, he actually robbed museums worldwide in order to preserve the good things of human culture. Ultimate magneto doesn't really resent humans, he just thinks there is only one non-animal species on the planet. Before mutants, that was humans, after mutants, that was mutants, putting humans on the level of, say, a cow. Hell, he even put a human male and human female in his arc of animals.<br /><br />Also, three small notes about your review, before I move on to two really big things:<br />- Ultimate Magneto is a lot more powerful, intelligent and precise than 616 magneto. In the first x-men arc, he actually managed to hold about a hundred sentinels in place, pull apart their processors and re-arrange them, making them follow his orders. Magneto could probably be called the main villain of ultimate marvel (Hell, the ultimates were specifically assembled as a reaction to his sentinel stunt). So he could probably control Iron Man's suit.<br />*Ultimate Wolverine is as big a douche as portrayed here (well, at least the millar-version is. The kirkman-version, like all ultimate x-men, is exactly like the 616 counterpart). In one of the first x-men arcs, he actually tried to kill Cyclops so he could bone Jean Grey. When he switched minds with Peter Parker (long story) for a day, he tried to bone Mary Jane. Yeah, a lot of these involve wolverine boning people. It isn't exactly helped by the fact that early ultimate x-men stories suggest that he has Daken-like pheromones (Millar-written mutants have a much larger array of oddities)<br />-Ultimate blob actually has eaten people before (including, again, in return of the king). The comics, however, had enough taste to not actually show the eating.<br /><br />Now, the two big ones.<br /><br />1. You might be wondering why I have referenced the return of the king storyline so much. Why is that? Because Ultimatum is a complete rehash of the first half of that storyline. Magneto, in a flying fortress located in the savage land, using something to enhance his powers (banshee in ultimatum, a machine made by forge in return of the king), uses his powers to destroy human civilization. Before doing this, he uses large groups of multiple men to strike at specific targets. In the end, however, this plan is stopped after the heroes dramatically crash through the window. Now, the difference is that return of the king is one of the best comics I have ever read (might be a bit too dark for your tastes), while ultimatum is one of the worst. So not only is much of ultimatum copied from a better comic, it actually made mistakes about the continuity in relation to it.<br /><br />The second big one is that the terribleness of ultimatum actually lasted more than nine months. You see, they did actually set up this event, though they did so in the most stupid way possible. In order to set up the continuity, they kicked the creative team off of two the three on-going series at the time, replacing both with terrible writers. The last few issues of ultimate x-men and ultimate fantastic four would fit perfectly into this show, if you ever want to do more ultimate stuff.<br /><br />Loved the review thoughramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-34308613028128047052011-11-10T16:12:58.436-06:002011-11-10T16:12:58.436-06:00Ah, Ultimatum, so many kinds of concentrated stupi...Ah, Ultimatum, so many kinds of concentrated stupid that was dedicated to the likes of Mark Millar and Joe Quesada- Wait just one darn minute...<br /><br />The Ultimate Universe was Created by Joe Quesada, and in said universe, Peter Parker was involved in Love Triangles... Why did he even have to make the One More Day Retcon, then?! Was having perhaps one of the most popular Alternate Universes go your way not good enough for you?! Geez, every time his name is mentioned, Joe Quesada finds a new way to be a complete HACK.Tzelhttp://docnocmauvais.deviantart.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-595351351625939962011-07-30T01:37:17.318-05:002011-07-30T01:37:17.318-05:00All cast plays better role in this comic.We want m...All cast plays better role in this comic.We want more in future.botiquinhttp://www.botiquin-de-primeros-auxilios.es/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-66226822013176401062011-07-25T04:30:36.617-05:002011-07-25T04:30:36.617-05:00Great comic story!I like it.Great comic story!I like it.Kevinhttp://www.howtogetrid.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-14051551467276606052011-07-14T01:18:31.293-05:002011-07-14T01:18:31.293-05:00So... When will you be reviewing 90s Kid's cop...So... When will you be reviewing 90s Kid's copies of Youngblood Strikeforce #4?JLHhttp://www.morphylogeny.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-54279366425053293392011-06-23T13:30:19.169-05:002011-06-23T13:30:19.169-05:00And just because I love multi-posting so much (or ...And just because I love multi-posting so much (or I continually remember new stuff regarding this crappy comic).<br /><br />Ultimate Fantastic Four was written by Millar, Bendis, Ellis and Carey.<br />Ultimate X-men was written by Millar, Bendis and Kirkman.<br />Ultimates was written by Millar, and some mini's (ultimate iron man, ultimate human) by Ellis<br />Ultimate Spider-man was written by Bendis.<br />So Millar, Bendis, Ellis and Carey are pretty much responsible for all ultimate stuff, with them mostly ignoring Kirkman and vice-versa.<br /><br />Now come the ultimatum lead-ups and tie-ins<br />Ultimate fantastic four was written by Pokakski<br />Ultimate X-men was written by Coleite<br />Ultimate Spider-man was written by Bendis<br />Ultimates was written by Loeb<br />Of these, only ultimate spider-man was any good (indeed, it was the fantastic end to a great series, I strongly advice reading it), which begs a simple question: WHY CHANGE ALL THE BLEEPING WRITERS?ramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-18065944957613233332011-06-21T09:53:01.168-05:002011-06-21T09:53:01.168-05:00Sorry for posting three times in a row, but, after...Sorry for posting three times in a row, but, after reading the comments, I have to explain some stuff regarding the ultimate origins mutant origin.<br /><br />It all started with three men, during World War II; James Howlett, Nicholas Fury and someone with the last name Fisk. When they were looting a house, they were caught and detained. At this point in the war, the allied forces were desperate. They saw no way to win the war without the use of atomic weapons, and that thought scared everyone. So they started experimenting on their prisoners, trying to make better soldiers, so they wouldn't have to kill every person in Japan or Germany. Nick Fury was the first test subject and was the person who first received the captain america serum and survived (though he wasn't nearly as strong as cap), but escaped afterwards, until he rejoined the military during the golf war, trying to atone for his sins during WWII. What happened to mr. Fisk is unknown, but it can be surmised that it has something to do with the ridiculous bulk and strength of Wilson Fisk, the kingpin of crime.<br /><br />Now James Howlett is where it gets interesting. The canadian version of Weapon X saw the success of captain america, and wanted to do something similair themselves. But instead of creating a serum, the scientists there managed to alter Howlett's DNA. But something was wrong. A few months after Howlett's DNA was altered, the scientist's wife got pregnant, and a healthy baby boy was born, named Erik Lensherr. Erik had a normal life until he became a teenager, when suddenly all metal around him started to move. The father realized what had happened and tried to shoot Erik, but it was too late. His powers of magnetism were realized and the bullet ended in the scientist's skull. Erik read his father's notes and freed Howlett, who had now been experimented on for nearly 20 years, and both started traveling the world. Erik, now calling himself magneto, saw how afraid all humans were of the mutants, and brought them to the savage land, where no normal man would ever try to go as a way of keeping them safe. Howlett was captured by Weapon X, where he was deployed as a weapon, fighting in the gulf war among others.<br /><br />All in all, this part of the story fits continuity very very well. It doesn't leave any real gaps, and fits into the parts of Wolverine's backstory that Millar had revealed. There are some minor contradictions between this and Kirkman's run on ultimate x-men, but the continuity issues of and with Kirkman's stories is something to rant about another day. Also, there is a lot more in ultimate origins than just this, but this is the part that is most relevant to ultimatum.ramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-42570860695893312762011-06-21T07:47:05.998-05:002011-06-21T07:47:05.998-05:00Addendum to above: The entire point of ultimatum w...Addendum to above: The entire point of ultimatum was as sort of a universal reboot, so people could just jump in again. Yet the people who were called had the shortest backstories. The european captains for an example, can be described in a single sentence ("EU supersoldiers whose suits give them flight and superstrength"). Yet the character with the longest backstories were kept. The most blatant of these are Zarda and Spider-man. For Zarda's backstory, you actually need to read a whole other alternate universe.ramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-1079341843942164272011-06-21T07:41:30.860-05:002011-06-21T07:41:30.860-05:00So i just reread the ultimatum tie-ins, in particu...So i just reread the ultimatum tie-ins, in particular, ultimate origins (which I still like, despite some blatant retcons, because it is well written and I enjoy the irony in Nick Fury's (he was forced to become the first super-soldier and now leads the super-soldier experiments) and the mutant backstories (all mutant activists claim that the mutant gene does not work like a disease, when in fact it blatantly does.).<br /><br /><br />Magneto already knows that man created mutant. He was the son of the main researcher. He was the person who freed wolverine from captivity. He was the second mutant, and the main cause for the spread of the mutant genome. The conclusion to ultimatum makes no frigging sense. Magneto doesn't care whether the next step in evolution was manmade or not, he just knows that now, man is no longer needed.ramseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440983038575063870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-55394471861035858332011-06-19T21:51:56.073-05:002011-06-19T21:51:56.073-05:00Thanks for the info about starting comic books. I ...Thanks for the info about starting comic books. I tried once before and wanted too badly to know everything that happened before. But now I'm just going to jump in and go from there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-30781241456887584352011-06-12T21:52:43.812-05:002011-06-12T21:52:43.812-05:00Great review. I laughed out loud during the Granny...Great review. I laughed out loud during the Granny Goodness part. Seriously though, I wouldn't have been too surprised if she was the main villain, it would fit with the whole messed up tone of the book. I enjoyed the Ultimate universe when it first came out because I was a new comic reader at the time and here was the new universe I could dive into without any researching, but boy did this event screw it up. I don't even bother with it now, sticking to main universes for now on.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-45655617175267221022011-06-04T16:30:24.994-05:002011-06-04T16:30:24.994-05:00Unbelievable. How could Marvel screw up something...Unbelievable. How could Marvel screw up something that should have been cool? This could have been a great blockbuster event, but instead it becomes nothing but an excuse to throw in pointless death scenes and random acts of mass destruction just to elicit some kind of shock! This may not reach DC Countdown so bad it's horrible level, but it still sucks! Worst Ultimate Marvel series EVER!<br /><br />Excellent review, BTW. The moment where you throw Ultimatum into the trash bin instead of burning it is a crowning moment of funny and awesomeness ever.<br /><br />The fate of the Ninja-Style Dancer is one of the most shocking moments ever, and incredibly well done (given scenes with him throughout Ultimatum). And now to count down the weeks until you face the Entity.Mingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-52524660780808814112011-06-04T11:10:11.542-05:002011-06-04T11:10:11.542-05:00"I know Linkara has to approve comments befor..."I know Linkara has to approve comments before there published, so that makes me wonder how many don't get through, and why some do. I'm going to test something.<br />So I must ask..."<br /><br />Oh, I tend to approve every comment, unless it's spam. I'm a big believer in free speech and expression... but don't mistake that for an unwillingness to lay down the law if I need to. People around here TEND to keep the comments pretty dang civil and for that I appreciate it, but if that should change, I may start exercising my power.Lewis Lovhaughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06724769374732321363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-10544233103862313952011-06-04T10:55:03.772-05:002011-06-04T10:55:03.772-05:00-Okay, enough of that - I don't want people hu...-Okay, enough of that - I don't want people hurling insults at one another here.-<br /><br />I know Linkara has to approve comments before there published, so that makes me wonder how many don't get through, and why some do. I'm going to test something.<br />So I must ask...<br /><br />Is that your hair or did a cat die on your head?<br /><br />Your so ugly that when you where born the doctors spanked the wrong end.<br /><br />Your mama's so fat that when she jumped up she got stuck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-55183045821371010432011-06-04T03:16:19.542-05:002011-06-04T03:16:19.542-05:00Although I understand what the word technically en...Although I understand what the word technically entails, it could work based on the theory that this was "the last story" in the universe. Just a possibility, although still not anywhere near a good justificationAlex Wonghttp://www.gotvape.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-82488014959583974982011-06-03T14:40:30.768-05:002011-06-03T14:40:30.768-05:00Great Review Linkara! I understand creating a new ...Great Review Linkara! I understand creating a new universe to attract new readers who don't know the extensive Marvel Universe. I also understand killing off many Heros and Villans to make way for those who need more focus in Marvel or create new characters with new stories. These Comics just failed to do it in every which way possible by non-sensically killing Several Heros AND VILLIANS!<br /><br />Yes I say Villians should be counted! They are more than a plot tool to further a hero's story. Killing them off for no-reason does just as much damage to a universe as killing a hero. I'm sorry Killing Dr. Doom in the end of the Comic is just as bad as killing off Nightcrawler because there really wasn't any purpose to it. The same can be said for Magneto. Villians should die in a blaze of glory as well either by their plan being foiled by a superhero or in an epic battle with a hero. Villians should not die to pad a story or make a hero look badass.<br /><br />I love how the Entity story is progressing but umm Ninja style Dancer was severly injured on your floor and you stop to answer the phone! What kind of Doctor are you!?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900999648579436903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-23236073862103289682011-06-03T09:41:53.388-05:002011-06-03T09:41:53.388-05:00"You can't set an example to dead people...."You can't set an example to dead people."<br /><br />Wha...what does that even mean? I suppose you mean the people who would die because of the hypothetical hero's inability to kill, but that is ridiculous. The hero, if he worth a damn, could and should be able to end a conflict without ANY loss of life, the enemy included. That puts him above the villain, who I assume must not care about all those bystanders and yes, he should be considered a role model for other heroes. <br /><br />And again, it has been said: if things are SO bad that the hero HAS TO KILL, then it is understandable. But that doesn't mean everybody should pat him on the back, nor he shouldn't feel some guilt.<br /><br />And oftentimes, that "code" they like to follow is the very reason they are heroes in the first place. Again, I gotta ask, if they should be allowed to discard their "code" so, what makes them any better than the villains?VermillionBrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16784952999463984812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-40241074003322761402011-06-02T20:18:00.304-05:002011-06-02T20:18:00.304-05:00Get your ass back here, comic! You're not fin...Get your ass back here, comic! You're not finished yet. I demand you get back here and explain a couple of things...<br /><br />What happened to Johnny Storm and Dormammu? <br /><br />What happened to the Hulk and Colossus? <br /><br />Magneto could not have died that easily! Where is he? I demand to know these things, NOW!<br /><br />Dr. Doom, Stan Lee's most acclaimed super villian of all time, WOULD NOT HAVE DIED THAT EASILY!!! <br /><br />This comic is not worthy enough to just walk off and leave this stuff hanging! NOT WORTHY!!!! This comic needs to get it's ass back here and finish this stuff! NOW!!<br /><br />Where's the Punisher to shoot these guys in the head when you need him!!?? WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE MIND SWAP WITH MAGNETO?!?!? WHAT COMPUTER DID XAVIER UPLOAD HIS THOUGHTS ONTO BEFORE HE DIED!?!? XAVIER ALWAYS UPLOADS HIS THOUGHTS TO A COMPUTER BEFORE HE DIES!!!!!!! ARGH!!<br /><br />WHERE DID THE SUPER SKRULL GO?!?!? I want answers! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!! GOD DAMNED COMIC!! It's not worthy enough to wipe your ass on it!!BrendanConcannonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-49523477072819565322011-06-02T15:01:31.381-05:002011-06-02T15:01:31.381-05:00"Or they're trying to set an example.&quo..."Or they're trying to set an example."<br /><br />You can't set an example to dead people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-47920134235190150982011-06-02T14:52:17.921-05:002011-06-02T14:52:17.921-05:00Actually, what Wolverine said at the very start ma...Actually, what Wolverine said at the very start made sense to me. In any fight, you got to hold back some for defensive purposes, so you don't leave yourself open to a counter-attack. <br />Any fight you intend to survive anyway. <br />But if you don't care if you die as long as you take the other guy out, well, that means you can attack that much harder. Basically Logan said "I'm gonna get all Kamikaze in your " <br />Sure, he could have said it better, but I understand the logic behind it.<br />I feel your pain about the poles, Linkara.The Occupantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-82798544557149133552011-06-02T10:42:35.173-05:002011-06-02T10:42:35.173-05:00"By that logic, then it's not Peter Parke..."By that logic, then it's not Peter Parker's fault that his Uncle died becuase he didn't stop that mugger."<br /><br />Well....yeah. It ISN'T his fault. That mugger could have killed anyone or no one. It was sheer chance, just like the spider that bit him (screw that totem nonsense). A big aspect of Spider-Man's whole characterization is that he blames himself for that WHEN NO ONE ELSE WOULD. That is who he is, which means it makes even LESS sense for him to go around killing anybody, villains or not. Because that same responsibility that drives him to fight crime also prevents him from committing the SAME CRIME that hurt him.<br /><br />And by YOUR logic, Spidey should off every villain he lays hands on, since he has first-hand experience with that kind of guilt. Any one of them, even the goofy ones, even a plain old mugger, can hurt or kill any number of people, by intent or accident. So he would be better off just knocking them all off. And what about their families? Yeah, the Joker might not have anybody sane crying over him, but quite a few villains have other people in their lives. Are they now justified to kill Spidey because he killed someone close to them?<br /><br />Honestly, it is weak justification, and it leads down a slippery slope towards a path we shouldn't want our so-called "heroes" to follow. <br /><br />And really, looking at your previous comments, I am still confused as to what you are trying to argue for here. The caveat for "last resort threats" has been given already. So what exactly are you asking for here? Just straight up Punisher style vigilantism?VermillionBrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16784952999463984812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-53803416627382457972011-06-02T01:17:27.600-05:002011-06-02T01:17:27.600-05:00"By that logic, then it's not Peter Parke..."By that logic, then it's not Peter Parker's fault that his Uncle died becuase he didn't stop that mugger."<br /><br />There's an enormous difference between abetting a robbery and not killing someone. Besides, Peter didn't kill Uncle Ben, the MUGGER killed Uncle Ben. Pete can feel guilt over it all he wants. He's not right to, but that's his choice, and it fueled him to become a hero, and later (until OMD/BND) a better hero.<br /><br />"The problem is that sometimes heroes who adhere to a Moral code so strictly can come across like they're being selfish. Like they care more about their conscience and "code" above human lives."<br /><br />Or they're trying to set an example.<br /><br />. . .Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08598207522036946253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-38243744752298120502011-06-01T23:09:02.294-05:002011-06-01T23:09:02.294-05:00It's rather like shock numbness. So much bad d...It's rather like shock numbness. So much bad dialog and death for its own sake, the events in the fifth issue just kind of wash'd over, like I was watching someone else watching it transpire as you give commentary (which is kinda what happen'd, but hardly the point)<br /><br />I really liked this universe, and this comic is like when a friend's relative dies. You've lost something, but what hurts most is that your friend has lost something more.<br /><br />And then the story snippet at the end, if the Ninja died just there, I'd say it's a well earn'd death. It carried weight, and he still accomplish'd something important. However it is still ambiguous, as we don't know the nature of the entity or its effects. <br /><br />The event we're seeing unfold here is shaping up to be an example of how to correctly do everything that bad events fail at.Maskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03762937512569657772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5809126056034906096.post-75351914450254059022011-06-01T18:44:06.135-05:002011-06-01T18:44:06.135-05:00Ya know, there is always one thing that bothered m...Ya know, there is always one thing that bothered me regarding Magneto, Iron Man, and Wolverine, maybe even several others including Valkyrie from the last vid: Why would you bring metallic weapons and such against people like Magneto? <br /><br />I mean technically, and I am going by movie standards btw, so I might be wrong about this, but wouldn't Wolverine and Iron Man just be used as ping-pongs against Magneto, or, seeing all the gore, have the armor crushed in and the adamantium ripped out? I'm sure no one would be surprised at this rate.<br /><br />I dunno, this is just a guess, and I might be wrong. But considering that Magneto was able to control Thor's hammer, I still think it's a likely possibility. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong, but it's been bothering me all day.j_faluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09649173397027595280noreply@blogger.com