Monday, December 19, 2011

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan #3



For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at this comic.




Cybermat Sound Effects courtesy of Sam Timmins!

146 comments:

Jarkes said...

I actually watched the movie again for the first time in years a couple hours ago. And... I did not see a montage that showed the crew of the Enterprise getting ready for the final battle with the Reliant. To clarify, I have the Blu-ray release that was released a couple years ago in a box set with the 6 TOS movies.

What's weird, is that it has some bits from the 2002 Director's Cut, but it's also missing a couple bits from the same cut. For example, Kirk explaining to McCoy that the only reason they got out of there alive was because he knew something of starships that Khan didn't was there. However, the explanation that Preston was Scotty's nephew wasn't. Weird.

Also... I totally saw Pollo's sacrifice coming. The moment Nimue mentioned that the only way to correct the course would be to do it manually, and you mentioned the radiation, I thought, "Yep, that'll be Pollo's job."

About this comic... Apparently, the reason that there hadn't been a comic adaptation at the time of the movie's release was because, at that time, Marvel's rights to publishing Star Trek comics had just run out. As such, no one had the rights to adapt the film into a comic at the time. Still, you're right: This adaptation was completely unnecessary.

RJHammer said...

Watching this review why did IDW decide to do only 3 issues? It would have been for 4 or 5. I got to say that even as bad comic has been I got teary eyed during spock scene as I do watching the movie. Yes even though I figured ahead time the ending to the video I got teary eyed at it too. I could see where it was going but since video been up only for a few minutes (hour on blip) don't want to spoil it.
I do want to also wish Linkara, Liz, and everyone here a have safe and merry christmas.

Torkuda said...

I'm not a foremost expert on robots, but I have to gawk at this one. How does a robot die from radiation poisoning? Throwing out the debate about whether a robot can be alive if it's sentient, you realize you can't "poison" something that has no biological tissue in the first place right? I don't know, it just seems that unless there was enough radiation in that room to melt his circuit boards (in which case, wouldn't that cause other problems?) how would it actually destroy Pio? I get that you wanted to do a reference to the movie (not a horrible one by the way, just odd) and the only alternative would have been Liz, (and it's kinda hard to think of a way to get her back) but it just seems the danger should have been something more universal like, electricity or heat. Again, I admit I could be horribly ignorant about either machines or radiation here. I just thought that machines were often built to work in radiation filled environments because they aren't really affected except in the most extreme circumstances.

I was sad to see the Pio prop mangled and burned a little (surely done for effect... don't tell me you're throwing it away. Always pegged you as a pack rat.) and it was effective, it just lacked a certain believability (beyond the horrible green screen that comes with working on a college student's budget).

Mountain King said...

There are very few films I've seen that the more I examine the better they get. Usually when you start truly examining and analysing a sci-fi film its flawed. More than flawed, more often than not the plot holes and mistakes stand out, glaring against reason and common sense.
Wrath of Khan is NOT one of these films. The more you watch it and the more you know of its inspiration the better it gets. You can read reviews, descriptions and trivia and the more admiration I have for this film. That's the reason it's the best of the Star Trek films and unless someone pulls another miracle out of their hat it always will be.
However, this comic adds nothing to that idea. Somehow, by missing the point more than twenty years after the film, this comic just doesn't work. Mostly for the reasons you mentioned, but also because it doesn't really add anything new. When an adaptation follows the original too closely it becomes ultimately pointless. It's simple, the DVD costs about as much as the three issue mini series, buy the DVD!

Have a merry christmas and a happy new year

Thomas

Anonymous said...

This is a good review I have never seen the film but after seeing your reviews I want to now. The only star trek shows I watched regularly were Deep Space 9 and Enterprise, do you have to have seen the original series to understand the movies.

Also when will we get to see the new body of Pollo

Master of the Library said...

An excellent way to wrap up the storylines of the year and set-up for next year, as well give yourself some breathing room between all the heavy plotlines. I also like how you're getting better with the greenscreening, in the majority of scene it looks more natural than it has in the past. Though I will admit that seeing CGI Pollo move towards the screen made me think for a moment that he was growing giant sized. :P

I do have a minor question- why did you unclasp your uniform at the begining of the review? I may have not been paying attention and missed why, but it just seemed odd to me.

Lastly, I want to congratulate you on a well-written year of episodes and plots and just say 'Thank You' for doing what you do. You've renewed my interest in comics and actually inspired me to write my own, which I'm currently in the process of pitching to Dark Horse Comics. And overall, you're a great entertainer and reviewer and I'm happy to be able to see your show every week, as well see someone who is as nerdy about things as I am.

So, thank you, Merry Christmas and I hope your holidays are full of joy and Christmas goodies.

Thoom said...

I can't believe you didn't like that first cover. It's Spock giving his 'last' "Live Long and Prosper".

Oh and by the way that was good acting on everyone's part. You once said that you have no interest in making movies, but the composition of the green screen and where you and Liz are standing, the direction, the music, everything..was very well done.

harmonicajay said...

You did a good review. I'm planning out my own review show, focusing on adaptations. They should have done better.

Nearly cried at your scene with pollo. And, call me a geek and a softie, but I found myself throwing my hands up in glee when the good news was announced. A good side story and a good character piece between Linkara and Pollo.

Merry Christmas, Lewis, and a Happy New Year.
Also, in terms of favorite jokes, my personal favorite was from your top 15 missed opportunities with the sleeping news anchor.

Spokavriel (Daniel Thomas Stack) said...

Amazingly well done story book ending the review. I still wish the comic had never come about but at least one good thing came from it.

Looking forward to your Search.

Anonymous said...

And now the image of Spock teaching an antimatter pottery class is firmly ingrained in my memory, haha!
Also, how royally screwed is Mechakara when Linkara gets a hold of him? I personally vote for the message of roasting alive in molten metal a la Terminator 2

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

"The needs of Many : Wise Philosophy or Communist Propaganda ?" strongest joke in this review but nothing like anything from issue #1 and still was funnier than issue #2. Cheers.

About the storyline episode : B-, only because of the promise for a better developed story arc next.

Slow down, you are going to fast to quickly and being predictable, your efforts are worth watch but you must never lose an opportunity to improve your writing skills since your directing and developing sets and props throw craftsmanship is impressive.

Film longer and prosper Lewis.

P.S.: for my self : Are you not at mandatory vacation for a month ?
P.S. for the P.S.: This is a brief cameo.

areoborg said...

I laughed at Nimowe's "Why...." Linkara either is incredibly cool under extreme pressure to where even certain death won't interrupt his reviews, or he has some sort of weird mental disorder to prioritize things like that.

Hey! The box that goes "ping" is the most expensive thing on the ship!

Yay! Pollo survived! So is that why the thatguywiththelgasses.com website was acting up last week?

Anonymous said...

(don't know where to post this so i post it here) You should try to review Batman the widening gyre it's kind of crappy i don't know if you heard of it .

ackbarfan5556 said...

POLLO! HE WAS A GREAT BOT!

Red Spearow said...

Maybe he downloaded himself into Mechakara. Now, the search for poyo begins.

Lizard-Man said...

Nice reference to IDW's Infestation event near the end there Lewis. Funny little in-joke for all those who keep up with comic book related stuff like that. Not sure if you plan to review it or anything, but I guess I'll just have to wait and see. I mean I liked the event, but, well, I know not everyone has the same opinion as me. Next Halloween episode maybe? XD

Anyway, great review. Still, was kinda wondering if we'd be resolving the Mechakara plotline here and now. I guess you're saving that for the, what is it? 200th episode or what not in january?

Anonymous said...

Hooray! Pollo is alive! W00T!

ramses said...

Man was this a funny review. I don't think I had this many laughs with your show since amazons attack.

The effects for this ep were, however, pretty damn painful, to the point of hilarity. Also, your plot should really be kept a lot more seperate from the review. If I can cut 4 minutes of story time and replace it with the movie, with no added jokes, there is a bit of a problem.

So, great review, meh story portion. Still very enjoyable episode.

Anonymous said...

Couple things to say Lewis

1: You are a DAMN good actor. You homage the movie much better then this comic certainly did.

2: Kudos on not totally going with the original WOK ending by having Pollo die. If anything, it reminded me of the 2nd Back To the Future movie when he got the letter saying Doc was still alive.

3: I saw your twitter post about throat medication. I recommend Antiseptic Spray. It tastes horrible but it kills the pain instantly.

4: As much as I agree with you on this comic not being a good adaptation, I have to say I think the "Zombie" Spock looks more realistic for a person after being exposed to that much radiation. In the movie he just looked like he had some mud caked on his face.

Headshot Bunny said...

A good trilogy of episodes. Though I might add that it was somewhat predictable what you were going to do with Poyo from the beginning. I must say that the best part of this trilogy was your use of the Star Trek II soundtrack, it really brought the right mood into this venture. Am I to assume the next episode will be The Search For Poyo?

opalangel7 said...

Pollo has been saved. Yay!

June said...

I love in the way NIMUE (sp?) says "why?" when you say you're going to continue the review. lol. And I totally want to watch Wrath of Khan right now too!

DrZulu2010 said...

Linkara, you magnificant bastard. You make me wanna see this movie even more. BTW, you never tell us if they show the torpedo being shot at (the one where spock is). I mean, it's one of the most beautiful scene of the movie.

geektality said...

i love your review style. btw, i really could care less about HOPR if it distracts you from your first class storytelling. best of luck

Toby said...

A great end to a hilarious review. And kudos on the effects in this one; really top notch given your budget and time.

So I assume this is the final time we'll see the old Pollo as a prop?

FugueforFrog said...

Sort of a bit surprised on how Pollo got out of it, but hey its great to see him survive somehow or another, no matter where/whatever has happened to Mechakara.

Not much to really say this week...except zombie Spock is just plain wrong...or was it melty-face Khan. (not a zombie fan sad to say)

DJ1107 said...

Good episode Linkara and pretty good end to the arc too even if I knew it end like this.
On a side note I never knew you knew about IDW's Infestation. Tell me will any of those stories end up on AT4W? Maybe next Halloween perhaps?

Andrew said...

Poor Pollo :'(

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Extremely well done. had me there, for a while. ;-) So - the next step of the epic adventure is finding Pollo again?
By the way - it was great, when Liz shouted "Lewis"...

Like I said - well done, I am looking forward to further adventures.

Greets

Cal

By the way: Maybe I am too stupid, but who is the voice of Pollo. He sounds a bit like Tuvok, but distorted, via Computer.
Is that you, Lewis, or is it another voice actor?

Grendle1853 said...

This one made me tear up, good work. Also I love the little nod to Back To the Future II at the end.

Anonymous said...

another perfect video.

The Blue And The Gold said...

Weirdly enough, right up until you mentioned Rimmer, I was expecting a Red Dwarf reference, like referencing the bit from The End in which the song "See Ya Later, Alligator" is played at George's funeral. But, seeing as you're huge fan of the film, I can understand if that would seem disrespectful (I have yet to see it, or any Star Trek related media besides the latest film, my girlfriend is a fan of the franchise though). So, that leads me to a question: obviously the films of the original Star Trek cast are set after the show but are the films for the Next Generation set after the show too or are they meant to be seen in between some of the seasons?

RoBUTTnik said...

You both deserve a standing ovation for that performance.

Scott Tibbs said...

This series of reviews inspired me to watch the Original Series episode where Khan was introduced (I had never watched that episode before) and then watch the movie again.

At least they ditched the makeup used to make Khan dark-skinned.

Somehow I missed the eugenics wars of 1996. I thought I was following the news pretty closely back then, but maybe it was not covered well.

Daniel Holmes said...

I believe the reason they put Spock in a torpedo shell was do to old navel traditions. Sailors in the past or at times of war, were buried at sea. In submarines, the dead was put in spare torpedo shells and shot out of a torpedo tube.

BooRat said...

Wait a sec why would a robot die from radiation!?

Another great review! No Green Screen bleed threws! :D
I have been curious of that Star Trek, Transformers, G.I.Joe, Ghostbusters, and Zombies crossover is like! Have you actually read it? Is it even worth looking into?

I think if they wanted to do this comic right it should've been 5-6 issues long that way they could've included all the scenes from the movie and maybe add in some that fill in the holes like the navel did!

I've got one question about the movie and about Star Trek in-general! In the original show and in Next Gen and all the other series the crew wear the famous different colored uniforms that show rank or what their jobs are, but why n this movie does every one wear red? I'm sure they give a reason in the movie at some point or was it like an inside joke they're all red-shirts now anybody can die at any moment!?

Hey, I seen the G.I.Joe Rise of Cobra comic ad on the back of this book and I'm wondering if you'll review any of those someday? Maybe? Or any of the old 80s Marvel G.I.Joe comics!?

BooRat said...

PS: Wow, 5 and a half hours since being posted and no comments added. Ya'll must be busy!

Anonymous said...

Wow, ok let's take this in two parts. The review first. I cannot believe they started the comic with a plot synopsis! Not only is it stupid to have Kirk saying that, but who really doesn't know the story? I had a comment I wanted to make about the scene after Spock sacrificed himself. Except for the joke about the artwork, which was totally valid what was that about?, I thougtht some of the jokes were, well, bad taste. They copied the dialogue pretty well from the movie, so in a way you were making fun of the movie too. Only problem is that scene where Spock dies and the funeral is one of the most powerful moments in anything Trek related. I understand, it's a comedy show and you are here to tell jokes I just didn't like those. However, that is nitpicking the review was great!

Now, as to the storyline. How can you make something so potentially silly, and let's be honest predictable, and make it so moving? Great job, by you and Liz. When she had to use your real name to get your attention, well, that was a small but brilliant moment. I think the reason these storylines work is because you take is so seriously. Nicely done, and happy holidays!

Jesse said...

Forgive me but, how does a robot die from radiation? Did it melt his circuits?

Now we have a reason for Pollo to get his new body. Can't wait to see it. Can't wait to see someone fry Meckara too.

HAVE JOE DO IT!:D

Joshquinn Andrews said...

Nice and funny review! I have never seen the movie but from what you said it seems good. As for your Poyo (sorry if I misspell his name) I kinda wonder where he is now. At least he is okay.

Going off topic for the sore throat problem one method would be to get one of those sore throat tea bags, boil them in hot water, and just sit or stand there as the steam comes to your noise. This would cause the mucus that is hurting your throat to leave. Of course you are going to need a lot of tissue. I tried it once and it really helped.

I was going to post this on your Tritter but it wouldn't let me because I had a limit to what I can type (Stupid Twitter! >_<)

Rowdy C said...

For what it's worth, I always thought the movie slipped up by having Khan die BEFORE the Enterprise escaped and Genesis detonated, meaning he thought he succeeded. I dunno, I just thought would be poetic if his last sight was seeing the Enterprise war away knowing he failed and letting out one last cry of anger as Genesis exploded. But that's just me.

Ming said...

Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan -- best of the Star Trek films (classic continuity only)

Comic adaptation of The Wrath of Khan = LAME! (I mean, c'mon, if it were actually done in the 80s, it would have been fine, but still, they left out a lot of material!)

This is definitely a great way to end the year -- with a storyline inspired by Wrath of Khan.

Hope we get to see the return of Pollo and more attacks by Mechakara (assuming AT4W and the rest of Channel Awesome survives the imminent SOPA purge).

TheDarkEricDraven said...

If Linkara could shoot straight, the Cybermat wouldn't have been needed XD

Great episode!

Anonymous said...

The comic: ... The artwork gets *some* credit this time around, in that they do get people to look right... for the most part. Otherwise... at least they kept some of the more important parts in this one. As a whole though, as a Trek fan? I'm one sad panda. As you've said each time, the movie was made almost 30 years ago (I would know because I was born a little over a month before it came out in theaters.), yet they some how screwed it up as badly as they did?

Your Arc: ... I think I'm going to need a moment... Ahem... Uh... Hmm... I'm not sure what to say after that.

Fiery Little One

PeppercatLoki said...

;o; Poio Liiiives! That classy blue bucket of nuts~ I hope he's not on the Hubble Telescope. the MST3K gang might run into it.

a treat, as always Linkara.






'miss you already poio~

The Offender said...

I am just shocked at how bad this is. It is a great movie, how it got turned into this I can't imagine.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Linkara, you magnificant bastard. You make me wanna see this movie even more. BTW, you never tell us if they show the torpedo being shot at (the one where spock is). I mean, it's one of the most beautiful scene of the movie."

Well, I knew people were getting sick of me talking about scenes cut from the movie, so in this case I left that out, but nope - they don't show it. It cuts directly from the funeral to Kirk in his quarters.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"So, that leads me to a question: obviously the films of the original Star Trek cast are set after the show but are the films for the Next Generation set after the show too or are they meant to be seen in between some of the seasons?"

They all take place after the series, as well. ^_^ In fact, many argue that the last episode of TNG is a much better story and wrap-up to the series than Generations is.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Somehow I missed the eugenics wars of 1996. I thought I was following the news pretty closely back then, but maybe it was not covered well."

It's a frequent gag that we've all had these days how we all missed that war. XD

In the books, they explain that the Eugenics Wars actually happened MOSTLY in secret, tying in several real-world events to it that the full scope of it wasn't known until much later.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"I've got one question about the movie and about Star Trek in-general! In the original show and in Next Gen and all the other series the crew wear the famous different colored uniforms that show rank or what their jobs are, but why n this movie does every one wear red?"

Behind the scenes, it was a budgetary reason. The Motion Picture had a huuuuuuge budget but was a critical flop (though it DID make a lot of money, hence why it warranted a sequel). As such, they had to cut costs however way they could. One way was by taking the old uniforms they had made for the Motion Picture and seeing what they could dye them to give them a different look. The material went in a few different directions, like a light brown or the maroon featured in the film. As such, they modified the costumes and dyed them the maroon color, making the different departments now have different turtleneck undershirts (you see McCoy and Sulu have different colors compared to others on the cast, who have the white turtlenecks).

boooratt said...

"Behind the scenes, it was a budgetary reason. The Motion Picture had a huuuuuuge budget but was a critical flop (though it DID make a lot of money, hence why it warranted a sequel). As such, they had to cut costs however way they could. One way was by taking the old uniforms they had made for the Motion Picture and seeing what they could dye them to give them a different look. The material went in a few different directions, like a light brown or the maroon featured in the film. As such, they modified the costumes and dyed them the maroon color, making the different departments now have different turtleneck undershirts (you see McCoy and Sulu have different colors compared to others on the cast, who have the white turtlenecks)."

So, it wasn't so much a story point thing as much as they were cutting corners to save money? That's cool I was just always curious! I much proffer the multi-color uniforms better!

PS: Back to the Future references? The next Star Trek movie is The Search for Spock? Is there going to be a Christopher Lloyd style character in the works!? XD

Anonymous said...

I'm interested to see how Mechakara will evolve as a villain now that he's no longer in human form. I personally don't find him as intimidating now as when he had Linkara's voice and body (although I'm sure Pollo's old body is only temporary, and he hasn't spoken save through NIMUE) I'm looking forward to what he'll become...maybe as a closer to this arc have him and the real Pollo duke it out for control over one body, and one destroys the other for good

Unrelated note: NIMUE's "Why?" cracked me up XD I'm really beginning to like her(?) as a character

The Grumpy Celt said...

Spock was sticking the "space spark plugs" of the ship back into the proper sockets - the battle had knocked them free. And like how fuel "can" move out of a hole of a spark plug, the extra-hard radiation was coming out.

megaL3 said...

there was just one thing that this review was missing:
MECHAKARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Heck, would've been better than this comics khan scream.

You are a really good actor Linkara, the ending to the review was an amazing homage to the movie

Relentless Class Blockade Breaker Ju said...

Good morning,

PLOT HOLE ALERT => If Pollo was not really dying and he actually knew his conscience was being downloaded to somewhere else why didn't he tell that to Linkara ?

I am just another viewer with an opinion but despite any lack of budget, sets and professional actors this productions looks like something meant for kids only.

As an amateur film the story stands for it self and i greet your for the homage of Wrath of Khan efforts but do you really need to be so bland all the time ? There is no tension.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do". - Benjamin Franklin

Kevin Holsinger said...

Good morning, Linkara.

Didn't you say that you didn't know how to poke fun at something you like? Because, in the process of making fun of the comic (which you didn't like), you also made fun of the movie (which you DID like).

Are you trying to expand your skill-set?

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Didn't you say that you didn't know how to poke fun at something you like? Because, in the process of making fun of the comic (which you didn't like), you also made fun of the movie (which you DID like)."

It'd be more accurate to say that it's more DIFFICULT to make fun of something you like. With some, like Wrath of Khan, I love the movie so much that it's hard to come up with material, but sometimes inspiration strikes, like with the funeral scene.

frigid said...

To Torkuda:

High levels of radiation can damage and destroy robots. For example robots sent into Chernobyl have practically melted, the silicon circuits utterly wrecked by radiation. Japanese robots sent in had their wires melted! So Ponyo wouldn't automatically be immune because of his metal and electronic nature.

Gareth said...

Nice reference to the IDW crossover series.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Although the scene with Spocks death and the funeral was kinda spoofed in Suburban Knights, with the death of Mati. By the way - liked it. ^^


And you are right - while the comic-adaptation might have worked in 1982, it most certainly doesn`t 29 or almost 30 years later.

Invertin said...

"I'm not a foremost expert on robots, but I have to gawk at this one. How does a robot die from radiation poisoning? Throwing out the debate about whether a robot can be alive if it's sentient, you realize you can't "poison" something that has no biological tissue in the first place right? I don't know, it just seems that unless there was enough radiation in that room to melt his circuit boards (in which case, wouldn't that cause other problems?) how would it actually destroy Pio? I get that you wanted to do a reference to the movie (not a horrible one by the way, just odd) and the only alternative would have been Liz, (and it's kinda hard to think of a way to get her back) but it just seems the danger should have been something more universal like, electricity or heat. Again, I admit I could be horribly ignorant about either machines or radiation here. I just thought that machines were often built to work in radiation filled environments because they aren't really affected except in the most extreme circumstances."

Poyo's outer shell isn't that hi-tech and in general, though his internal systems are massively complicated, he doesn't seem to be designed to really do much except just 'be'. He has functions, but he's more like a computer technician or advisor than a battle droid or a work droid. He doesn't even have any arms! So it's understandable that he's not designed to stand up to much.
Also, Comicron-1 is designed to travel between universes and can manipulate the flow of time around itself, so I imagine that it would be designed to be immune to foreign energy because let's face it, not every dimension is going to be a safezone compared to the physics of yours.

This is just speculation on my part though.

Spiderdude said...

I saw Pollo's sacrifice coming from the second video, but that didn't stop me from getting teary eyed.

So now the search for Pollo is on! Is there a comic adaptation of Search For Spock as well? Would be a coincidence.

Jarkes said...

"PLOT HOLE ALERT => If Pollo was not really dying and he actually knew his conscience was being downloaded to somewhere else why didn't he tell that to Linkara ?"

Because he lost his ability to speak before he could tell Linkara. At least, I think that's the case.

Also, people keep saying that there were some Back to the Future references in the storyline part of this review. Can someone please elaborate?

AmuroNT1 said...

Be honest, Lewis; how hard was it fighting the temptation to use scenes of Gutierrez from Freakazoid in this review?

"Because he tasks me! He *tasks* me! Around the moons of Vega, I chuckle at thee. Around the suns of Andromeda, I chuckle more at thee. Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins! Kirk, oh, friend, I... Oh! Sorry...goodbye!"

Yellow13 said...

Not to be a party pooper here Linkara but Radiation shouldn't have effected Pollo. At all. Unless it was electromagnetic which would instantly shut him down, he'd be fine. Just a little radioactive, but still good.

The Exiled One said...

After this, I think it's a high time Linkara reviewed a Star Wars comics.

And I don't mean an "Ewoks" one, a Star Wars one. With spaceship and lightsabers and the Force.

PS. It's also high time Nostalgia Critic reviewed a Star Trek movie. The most likely candidates would be "Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier" and "Star Trek: Insurrection".

R.C.B.B. Ju "Second to None A-Kicker" said...

@Jarkes

It's all because at the end he says Pollo still alive out there somewhere in a similar fashion as the way Back to the Future part 2 closes the movie and get the cliffhanger for part 3.

I guess Lewis is tired, in a hurry and with a lot of this to do at the same time and even more waiting in line according to schedule.

That's why this story became quickly predictable with some give a ways all the way through, it's a homage but certainly not the best he could think about if there was time for elaborate that better, is too much coming too soon and that's cripples his writing in my honest opinion, let's hope to see things getting better next year.

"Random chance seems to have operated in our favor" -- Spock
"In plain, non-Vulcan English, we've been lucky" -- McCoy
"I believe I said that, Doctor" -- Spock (The Doomsday Machine)

The Blue And The Gold said...

"They all take place after the series, as well. ^_^ In fact, many argue that the last episode of TNG is a much better story and wrap-up to the series than Generations is."

Much obliged. I would have asked my girlfriend but since she wasn't around at the time, it seemed like a good time to ask, while we were on the subject of Star Trek. I plan on getting the series eventually (depending on what she does and doesn't have) and watch them in chronological order. So, I don't know if getting Enterprise out of the way first is a good or bad thing but I guess I'll find out.

panaminty.livejournal.com said...

Nice to see you have your priorities straight, as per usual. :) Though I have to admit, the lack of Freakazoid references made me almost as sad as Pollo's "demise."

Now I have to go hunt down my VHS (!) of Wrath of Khan...

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Much obliged. I would have asked my girlfriend but since she wasn't around at the time, it seemed like a good time to ask, while we were on the subject of Star Trek. I plan on getting the series eventually (depending on what she does and doesn't have) and watch them in chronological order. So, I don't know if getting Enterprise out of the way first is a good or bad thing but I guess I'll find out."

Let me save you a teensy bit of trouble: most of the time, if it seems like an episode of Enterprise is stupid, it probably is. You can feel free to skip through most of the first two seasons. Season 3 is where it gets interesting.

The Blue And The Gold said...

"Let me save you a teensy bit of trouble: most of the time, if it seems like an episode of Enterprise is stupid, it probably is. You can feel free to skip through most of the first two seasons. Season 3 is where it gets interesting."

I appreciate the tip ^_^ But if I can sit through the weaker parts of the fourth season of Buffy, the second season of Dark Angel and the entirety of Lipstick Jungle (not sci-fi/fantasy but hey, anytime you can fit a joke in, you go for it), I think Enterprise will surprise me. Plus, I feel I owe it to watch every episode, even the stupid ones, if only for possible unintentional hilarity.
Though, for the longest time, the only Star Trek I had seen was a Frasier/Star Trek skit (Captain Janeway and the cast of Frasier) and the Futurama ep "Where No Fan Has Gone Before"
("Ven ve voke up, ve had these vodies"
*Squees* "Now say 'nuclear wessel!' "
"No")

Anonymous said...

For breather story arc this one is pretty awesome. The special effects were good considering being a web review show and all. I just wanna hug Pollo (in his new body that is) for being such a clever robotic bastard. I had a feeling that the way you said it that Pollo did something cool. I think Mechara is going to deserve whatever Linkara is going to do to him. Yay! for Pollo being Okay!!

Erik Draven said...

Okay, here goes...

Watched the movie, then went back and rewatched the first two parts of the review before watching the ending to put everything into perspective... then promptly forgot it all when "Land of Confusion" took over... damn you Mike Rutherford!!!

But, to use one of your lines, when it comes to the comic "standing on its own merits", I totally agree with you that it doesn't. In fact, a closer euphemism would be that the comic belly-flops into a pool of its own mediocrity at best and at worst, is a waste of $12 (or whatever the three issues' cover prices total).

Pollo isn't dead, just his body is? Since I can't even program TiVo properly, I'll buy that. Does this means that we will soon be seeing AT4W 3: The search for Pollo??? Can't wait for it if we do.

Until then, enjoy your holidays and could you please send someone to unnail me from this bulkhead... it's really starting to hurt!

Gyre said...

I think you might be a bit too critical of the first cover. It references the major scene and the art itself isn't too bad.

The burial does make some sense. It's a rather reasonable tradition for ships that expect to be at sea (or I imagine space) for long periods of time to drop the deceased out. Otherwise they take up valuable space on the ship. Of course you really shouldn't drop out a pod from a fast moving ship, that's a good way to make a nice impact on any planets it might hit*.

As for the end, no offense but it was kinda obvious. Another approach might have been better.

*Of course I doubt the writers ever actually thought about Newton's Laws worked.

Sjosten said...

Wait. Khan has a spaceship with awesome guns, can terraform planets, and comes from a planet where everyone pretty much wears the same thing. Khan is a Spore captain!!

trent bowie said...

Well done, Linkara! That was an excellent end to your review. I can't wait till you find (the all-new, all different) Pollo!

pigmy Wurm said...

I figured out the weird facial art issues, they decided to cast the entire thing with Odo and the other Changelings from DS9, that is why when they are in the background they randomly don't have noses or lips.

I really need to watch Wrath of Khan again, it has been way too long and I forgot about many of the scenes you highlighted.

Relentless Class "If they can blockade We can break it" Ju said...

If Pollo's death is meant to be a homage to The Wrath of Khan and his return a mash up of Search for Spock and Back to the Future 3 that means the next season is about to became some sort of : "GALAXY RANGERS MEETS TIME TUNNEL ??? OR POLLO'S 52 ???"

Or maybe if we had any luck so far "COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO!"

What you have to say about that Lewis ? Any teasers after new years eve ?

Anonymous said...

I feel the need to ask Linkara, Did you intentionally meant to reference Back To The Future 2 at the end there, or did the commentators make that connection themselves?

Anonymous said...

Oh wow. Lewis, whilst I do respect your work and enjoy your reviews, you have all the subtly of a kick to the nuts.

Oh well a nice series of reviews and here's hoping the search for Pollo won't be as underwhelming as the search for Spock

Oh BTW have you perchance picked up the SH Figuarts Shinkenred and Shinken Gold aka Red Samurai Ranger and Gold Ranger?

If not here's some incentive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By0x7TwnYEk&feature=channel_video_title

http://blip.tv/vangelus-central/vangelus-review-shf-shinkenred-shinkengold-5123023

Ed said...

Awesome review, as always, dude!

As for the plotline: great stuff. I will admit to thinking I knew where this was going, and wincing in anticipation of an overly-dramatic death scene to write Liz out of the show...and then did a double-take when we find out it was /Pollo/ who sacrificed himself. Well done!

Also well done: the quiet bits with Linkara & Pollo talking. Kudos on making Pollo a real character, and not just another avatar for Linkara to talk to via camera tricks (not that I dislike those at all, mind you!).

And, of course, Liz actually yelling "Lewis!" /That/ was another double-take moment. Well done to you both!

Relentless Class Blockade Breaker Ju said...

@Ed

quote : "Kudos on making Pollo a real character, and not just another avatar for Linkara to talk to via camera tricks (not that I dislike those at all, mind you!)".

That's yet to be seen Ed. I personally can't wait for : "COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO!"

Despite some plot holes here and there, all at clear sight to be carefully appointed and analyzed this still is a more fun and coherent storyline for childrens and really young adults than any crap George Lucas try it to sale for us in the most recent past.

-x-x-x-x-x-x-

Sir Alexander Dane: "You don't hold the turbo down, it's for quick boosts!"
Jason Nesmith: "Oh, like you know!"

Catherine said...

Great, fun review, and a moving segment of the story arc. As some other people have mentioned, I started having my suspicions about where this was going to go when Pollo quoted the, "I am, and always shall be, your friend," line in the first part, but the ending got me in the gut nonetheless. Your last conversation with Pollo was just really beautifully acted. And Liz yelling, "Lewis!" because it was the only way to get through to you was a very nice touch. If I'm not mistaken, that's the first time anyone's called you by your real name on the show, isn't it?

Finally, if this video had been up before you'd asked for our favourite jokes, I would have definitely had to include, "If you let me out of here, you are, and always shall be... my dinner." I almost fell over laughing. :)

Anonymous said...

To the poster that asked how radiation killed a robot: enough radiation would indeed cause electronics to burn out, depending on the type of both the electronics and the radiation. I imagine space gizmo radiation is of the type and strength that would fry the wiring of a robot built by a random nerd.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

@ The blue and the gold
Dark Angels second season was not that bad, as second season Enterprise was. But, I concur, that season 3 and season 4 were actually good. Season 4 much more, so. You get all the foreshadowing of things to come, e.g. things like first meeting the orions or the funny mirror-universe episode. We get to see things of the eugenics wars, things about the romulans... season 4 is quite good. And yesterday I bought the second book of the Star Trek: Enterprise Novels, where the big disappointment of Enterprises final episode is referred to and retconned.

Review-wise, I ask myself, how Linkara wants to make a bigger plot-ark than LordVyce, the Entity (which has assimilated our reality and was talked into self-destruction by Linkara a.k.a. Captain Kirks legitimate heir) and now the death of pollo.

And although I don`t know jack about story-telling (I am just a simple FF-author, who likes to write crossovers), I am sure, there is a bigger plot-ark in planning. BEcause, it is Linkara.

Search for Pollo - mostly probable... but then... what comes next? I am really curious about that.

By the way, we established, that you plan things in advance, so hence the episodes, which resolve the plot ark are tied in to the comics, you are critizising, I am wondering, how your decision-making-process, which comic to review, works. I mean - those things must be carefully weighed out, right?

that means, of all the comics you own, you must make a pre-selection of those, you want to review and tie them all in to an overall plot, that might last a couple of months or even half a year. Do I see that right?

By the way - after finishing the last chapter of the Birds-of-Prey, (gaaaaargh... in germany, they lasted only 3 issues, which pisses me off, because I liked that comic... . Stupid cost-benefit-analysts, who said, that concerning the sales figures, the story is not going to last. Gaaaah!)

Sorry, got slightly off track.
So, I read, in that same comic, that in January, we will get "Flashpoint"... I think, I will buy that and the collected issue "Flashpoint: The World of Flashpoint Featuring Wonder Woman " if it is published around here. Could be funny.


Greets

Cal

Xaven said...

You know something funny? I actually predicted the whole Pollo sacrifice back in Part 2, when Pollo said, "I have been and always shall be your friend." I just shook my head and said, "Oh no. He's going to do the whole Spock sacrifice, with Pollo as Spock."

Sabre said...

I stopped watching part way through part 2 because, oddly enough, I want to watch the film myself.

However, I think I speak for game and trek fans when I ask for an Elite Force 2 Let's Play.

For what it's worth, I do believe I know the solutions to the choppy framerate and sound desync issues you experienced last time.

The Exiled One said...

"If Pollo's death is meant to be a homage to The Wrath of Khan and his return a mash up of Search for Spock and Back to the Future 3 that means the next season is about to became some sort of : "GALAXY RANGERS MEETS TIME TUNNEL ??? OR POLLO'S 52 ???"

Or maybe if we had any luck so far "COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO!"

What you have to say about that Lewis ? Any teasers after new years eve ?"


BEST

IDEA

EVER!

Linkara travelling the Channel Awesome Multiverse looking for Poyo would be the greatest, most awesome storyline in the history of the show!

He could:

-go the Furryverse and meet the Nostalgia Kitten

-go the "Wishverse" and be stunned at how his Wishverse counterpart owns both Marvel and DC (not to mention, getting back at President Joe for blowing up Canada)

-go to Mechakara's home universe and fight MechaSpoony and Marzbot

-go to the Reviewaverse and team up with Apollo Z. Hack

-go to the real world and meet Lewis Lovhaug (quite the mindscrew, right?)

-go to the Mirror Universe (again) and team up with Good Doctor Insano

-go to the Screw Attack universe and meet Unaware Steve, Stuttering Craig and GameJew

-go to the Otherverse and meet Robogirl, the Hooker with the Heart of Gold and the cast from "Press Start"

Not to mention, a golden opportunity to finally find out which universe does Judas Liz come from.

I really hope Lewis uses this idea!

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@Xaven

That was the greatest "GIVE AWAY" and "SPOILER ALERT" of the year.

Kids around the world first cry for knowing what was gonna happen and later at the end gave a great collective "WTF" when considering : "wait a minute : Kirk didn't knew in advance about Spock's katra and his body regenating on Genesis, and making a tie-in with Back to the Future mythology ??? WTH?"

All the sudden this became Linkara: The Return of Lewis Lovhaug but instead of you was Pollo who get the Omega Sanction and so he is coming back from the past ???

Shame on you Sir, the team demands : COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO, and we are not getting out of orbit until we get it what we want this time.

Pollo getting through Pre-history, Piracy Age, Gangster times and modern Pre-S.O.P.A. of intternet and robotic is a matter for another story arc, maybe not this one. Despite the fact his Positronic Matrix is basically flood with tachyon particles at this point.

Now where did i park my ship ?

End Credits Final Countdown - Europe

Pollo Shall Return In Pollo's R.I.P. before finally we get

COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO, in a webstore next to your preferred browser.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

You know, Linkara, I ask myself: if someone would just stroll around in a comic-shop, see that comic, without any knowledge of Star Trek and decides that now is as good as a time as allways to grab a Star Trek Comic and read it - as I did with the Batman comics, and found myself quite confused, because I started with Issue 2 of "Whatever happened to the caped crusader" - would that someone think, that that is a good comic or a bad one, just based on the information he has from the comic?

I think, at least, it could make him curious about the franchise...

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@The Exiled One

Best Idea Ever ??? May be (don't expect to not pat my own back on that people ) but the amount of cross overs involved is sky rocket insane and beyond time schedule and budget available, i must be the first to admit the lack of practicability on that.

The only way to made something remotely similar to this is doing some kind of Robot Chicken style of show with toys and puppets at Lewis disposal and the respective guests doing voice overs through Skype. Would be something like Lewis Lovhaug meets the original Jim Henson's Muppet's Factory, did you know they made sci fi shows and movies too ?

And even that way we still have a problem, Lewis is just a human so in order to keep everything in schedule and increasing the budget at the same time without killing our main star in the process is by ...dramatic pause and SFX... Dunh-dunh-dunnnnh! CLONING HIM !!!

Unfortunately Marvel Comics and George Lucas already screwed the whole cloning mythos further than Stephanie Meyer did with the Vampire and Werewolf mythos combine, what a shame.

That's why i am advocating the COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO 52 weeks maxi-series that is slightly a little bit easier to handle even with Lewis limitations, i hope in this new year our hero goes beyond bland homages and one liners rip offs.

For me so far his best jokes have been the less obvious and mostly unexpected, anyway else he usually fails.

That's why i made a stop on my time trip back into the show's past to deliver my concerns and keep the COUNTDOWN Campaign going on, please people send your e-mails to Lewis demanding COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO followed by the climatic sequel FINAL POLLO - THE DAY EVIL WON'T, and remember : "If you don't hidden he will written - in better lines that this one of course - sort of??? !"

End Credits Star Trek XI - Enterprising Young Men or a.k.a. Linkara's Reboot, the origin story about a 23th Century boy in his late 90's maturity time who joins the Starfleet and became the man destiny to be known as the first Captain of the U.S.S. Green Futon.

now back to the past....

The Exiled One said...

And this shows why Sake Mangusto doesn't have an internet video show of his own and instead acts like a That Guy With the Glasses character every time he posts (reality check, Sake: stop "playing to the audience". We are not here to be entertained by you, we are here to be entertained by Linkara, so just STOP. Be yourself, talk like you do in real life, get serious. Stop trying to makes us laugh like you are Jim Carrey or Adam Sandler. This blog is NOT your personal video show, and we are NOT your audience): because he has no real talent for picking out good ideas.

You want to ditch an awesome opportunity to explore a multiverse that was never fully explored before in favor of a cliched time travel plot, a complete reboot of a show that doesn't need rebooting, and friggin PUPPETS? If you keep this up, the Asylum may hire you as their new chief writer.

By the way, I'm saying this as a friend and fellow Linkara fan, so don't post an immature reply like "lalalala, I'm not listening to you", or anything of that fashion.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@The Exiled One

quoting : "And this shows why Sake Mangusto doesn't have an internet video show of his own and instead acts like a That Guy With the Glasses character every time he posts because he has no real talent for picking out good ideas".

Opening Credits Twisted Sister - We're Not Gonna Take It

Am I like That Guy With The Glasses ? ...blinks in disbelief thrilled by emotions...

Thank you Exiled One, you made my day with your comment, my ego now is really in orbit, i feel Awesome.

I am like That Guy With The Glasses, that's frakking great.

Lewis give me silence most of the time and complain about my behavior with perfectly reasonable explanations but one nobody like me recognize and compare my talent or lack of it at least once with the giant who starts everything - if there is or is not talent to be recognized is debatable but anyway.

Thank you for the comparison The Exiled One, there is no place in my heart anymore for immature behavior.

Linkara is my Jedi Master (despite the fact he is in fact a trekkie) and That Guy With The Glasses is definitely my personal Yoda now (despite the fact he is too tall and not much that green)but i must keep my composture to their best traits of character.

Again thank you The Exiled One for help to shape my character's character characteristics.

P.S.: Please support "COUNTDOWN TO FINAL POLLO!", available in VHS, CD, DVD, Blue-Ray and Torrents world wide.

End Credits The Simpsons: Stonecutters Song "We Do"

The Blue And The Gold said...

@CaptainCalvinCat
"Dark Angels second season was not that bad, as second season Enterprise was. But, I concur, that season 3 and season 4 were actually good. Season 4 much more, so."

Well, I didn't say it was horrible, I just didn't find it easy to sit through (though the whole show's supporting cast wasn't really helping much. And that theme song, ugh). There were good things, but overall I just wasn't impressed. I don't know how I'll go with Enterprise but it all depends on something Lewis said (Lewis, I apologize for bothering you yet again, just wanted to know if you could clarify something for me).

When you said "if it seems stupid, it probably is" did you mean in terms of all the aspects of a particular episode/arc, like bad characterization, poor story, awful effects and headscratching science or did you mean that purely in science fiction terms, like it uses faulty science logic and expects us to believe it? If it's the former, then I will take your advice into consideration once I get a copy of the show on DVD. If the latter, that probably won't be an issue since I know little of science. I'm more of a character and story man, so that's what I'll probably notice most. I don't know a thing about quantum mechanics or the like, so that stuff will probably fly over my head. I'd like to think I'm not completely stupid but I'm out of my depth in fields of science.

Again, many thanks for reading and responding to my previous comments. ^_^

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"When you said "if it seems stupid, it probably is" did you mean in terms of all the aspects of a particular episode/arc, like bad characterization, poor story, awful effects and headscratching science or did you mean that purely in science fiction terms, like it uses faulty science logic and expects us to believe it? If it's the former, then I will take your advice into consideration once I get a copy of the show on DVD. If the latter, that probably won't be an issue since I know little of science. I'm more of a character and story man, so that's what I'll probably notice most. I don't know a thing about quantum mechanics or the like, so that stuff will probably fly over my head. I'd like to think I'm not completely stupid but I'm out of my depth in fields of science.

Again, many thanks for reading and responding to my previous comments. ^_^"

More like a story logic kind of thing.

For example, "A Night in Sickbay" is considered one of the absolute worst episodes of Star Trek ever in ANY series. Bad comedy, bad plot, and it makes the Captain look like a crazy man who contradicts himself at every opportunity.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@Lewis

Take it easy Lewis, sometimes you looks like a crazy man but everybody loves you.

And about bad episodes "Threshold" from Voyager is in my opinion a lot worst than A Night At Sickbay even considering Enterprise bad as it was and i never saw you becoming a newt in any episode of your storyline so far.

The Exiled One said...

This is like if someone walked to Stephanie Meyer and said to her "Meyer, I've READ Anne Rice novels, I LIKE Anne Rice novels...and you are no Anne Rice. You are SO not Anne Rice", and then Stephanie Meyer said "You compared me to Anne Rice? Awesome! I feel so honored! This is great, I feel like Anne Rice is Yoda and I'm her Jedi Padawan!"

Sake, you are not an idiot, so stop acting like one.

I said you are NOT a video reviewing, and that you should STOP acting like one. Putting "opening credits" and "ending credits" on your posts is exactly the kind of stuff you should avoid.

And Lewis is not your "mentor", AND WE ARE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE! GET THATR THROUGHT YOUR THICK SKULL!

If you want to act like a video reviewer, just start your video review here. But when you are here, in this blog, you will act like a normal person. You will talk seriously.

Or are you just incapable of being serious, at any moment?

Oh, and I'm looking it back at your posts, and I noticed that you were too busy "playing it to the audience" to properly explain what "Countdown to Final Pollo" is supposed to be about. To quote the movie "Be Cool": "You don't have a script, you just have a title!".

CaptainCalvinCat said...

@ Lewis

For example, "A Night in Sickbay" is considered one of the absolute worst episodes of Star Trek ever in ANY series. Bad comedy, bad plot, and it makes the Captain look like a crazy man who contradicts himself at every opportunity.

... but when you could sit through "Threshold" (the Voyager-Episode, not the Series with Brent Spiner), you can watch "One night in Sickbay" and have no problem with it, because you have built up such a high resistancy to crap, that you can say "I can handle, whatever you throw at me".

And even threshold, as faulty and bad as it may be, had a good idea and an interesting concept. Okay, they threw the concept out of the window with Tom Paris becoming lizard man, but, the premise of it was actually quite interesting. I mean, when you are stranded in Delta Quadrant, you have to look for ways getting out of there.

Oh, by the way, Lewis, you said in one of your Lets Plays, that Voyager should have been more than BSG (reimagined). As much as I love that show, I am glad, they didn`t make Voyager like that.

I was so annoyed at Battlestar, when they did the military-wise thing and kept "the thing" a.k.a. Sharon in Brig for a complete season. It was necessary, it was a great character-device, it was a brilliant thing to get her the chance to prove herself, it... annoyed the hell out of me.

Because every frakking time, Sharon did something, that was maybe an error, they put her in the brig. She was allowed to help the Crew of the Galactica, and then she was escorted back to the brig.

Like I said, it is military-wise the right decision, given the circumstances and I think, if they had Seven of Nine in the exact same position, that Sharon was in, (okay, minus the "being impragnated by Helo"-thing), Adama would have put her in the brig,too.

But - I have to admit - I like the more "stupid" Janeway-Approach: "I don`t have a clue, maybe it is a big mistake, but let her prove herself."

And, compared to TNG or some episodes of DS9, it would have been an extreme shift in tone, when they had made Voyager more gritty and "realistic".

In my oppinion, that is why Stargate:Universe failed so miserably. Season 1 was... dark.
And I don`t mean Dark in character-ways (okay, there it was dark, too) but somehow they forgot to pay the electricity-bill, because the ship was just... well... nearly not equipped with light-bulbs.

It was dark, as in "opposite of bright". And as much, as I liked BSG, I most certainly didn't like the idea of those story-tellings in an SG-Universe. Stargate was - until that day, where they aired the Pilot of Universe, which was called - erm - Air, a show, where even in the crappiest situation, someone (mostly O'Neill, later Daniel or Sam; in Atlantis mostly Sheppard and McKay) came up with a nice play on words or a gag, that brightened up the situation. That was missing in Universe, and the feeling of a family, that was present in SG 1 and SG A as well, was missing, too.

Just my five cents.

Merry Christmas to you Lewis and all your readers and viewers from "atop the fourth wall".

Greets

Cal

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"But - I have to admit - I like the more "stupid" Janeway-Approach: "I don`t have a clue, maybe it is a big mistake, but let her prove herself."

And, compared to TNG or some episodes of DS9, it would have been an extreme shift in tone, when they had made Voyager more gritty and "realistic"."

Ah, you misunderstand what I meant by more like BSG - behaviorally? Oh, yeah, I prefer Janeway's approach to Seven of Nine.

I meant atmosphere-wise and the fact that they'd have to make difficult choices to survive. Voyager was always completely repaired by the next episode. Problems existed for one episode and were gone by the next. They were always able to get out of situations through technobabble or spreading the Starfleet gospel.

BSG, by contrast, sometimes had to do morally questionable things to survive, alone, and without anyone to come to their aid. They faced overwhelming odds and there was frequent conflict among the crew. On top of that, by the end of the series, Galactica herself was in crappy shape, with the superstructure falling apart and the lights would often be flickering or dimmer.

THAT feels like they're lost and in danger. Voyager... not so much. ^^;

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Ah, okay, Atmosphere-whise, you are right. You meant the "year of hell"-approach, which, granted, could have been a nice season-theme, before they decided to make it just a two-parter with all things hit by the reset-button at the end.


There, it could have been a bit more grim and darker. I mean, it worked on DS9.



Oh, by the way, I liked the gag at the end... I was a bit surprised, that the show, which I thought of as being set in the future is set several thousand years in the past, but ... Its kinda neat. ^^

Oh, and another by the way: I liked the christmas-video. Happy Hollidays to you, too. ^^ I hope, your throat is better?

Greets

Cal

The Blue And The Gold said...

"More like a story logic kind of thing.

For example, "A Night in Sickbay" is considered one of the absolute worst episodes of Star Trek ever in ANY series. Bad comedy, bad plot, and it makes the Captain look like a crazy man who contradicts himself at every opportunity."

Ah, very good, I'll still be able to follow the show without needing someone to explain the science.

Thanks again! ^_^

Anonymous said...

Hey Lewis, guess what?

That episodes of Enterprise you talked about? It had the most viewers of Season 2 and was nominated for a Hugo award! lol

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"That episodes of Enterprise you talked about? It had the most viewers of Season 2 and was nominated for a Hugo award! lol"

Yep, it certainly did!

And all those viewers left by the next episode. XD

As for the Hugo nominations, I don't know how the Hugos nominations are handled, but if it's like the Emmys, then it's the show producers who send out what THEY think are the best examples of their work to the award committees for consideration. Again, that might be different with the Hugos, but it's something to think about. ^_~

Though it goes to show how bad Enterprise was - submitting their worst episode along with the boring episode that insultingly tries to say that aliens invented velcro.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Keep thing short and simple :

@T.E.O. a.k.a. The Exiled One

and i quote : "And this shows why Sake Mangusto doesn't have an internet video show of his own and instead acts like a That Guy With the Glasses character every time he posts"

If acts like doesn't means the same as imitate or be similar or do it equal as then i don't know what you are talking about and by your own definition i am acting like That Guy With The Glasses so please make up your own mind when making comparisons.

And about Countdown to Final Pollo, i suggested a title and if we will have or not a script is up to Lewis.

I don't know why do you care so much about me, take care of yourself.

Anonymous said...

Well, we've heard your opinions on Voyager and Enterprise, but what about DS9? What do you think about it?

I personally think of the whole series as trying to make Star Trek dark and deconstructed. There were some really twisted and depressing stories that entire series had and really made you think that maybe the Federation isn't as perfect as people in Original and TNG say it was.

It's just me, but I REALLY supported the Maquis in all honesty.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@Anonymous

Who don't support the Maquis at some point ? The Federation and in particular Captain Jean Luc Picard screwed up the Cardassian/federation border when they "help" the colonies to make a treaty with the Cardassians. A Treaty the Cardassians were never willing to honor or even respect.

In my honest opinion DS9 was Star Trek entering its own maturity but then you have Voyager and Enterprise trying to pull everybody back into the teenager and further Star Trek childhood just to fail miserably at the end.

I guess Paramount is ashamed about DS9 for the wrong reasons and keep trying to push to us some generic PC crap because they live in denial of something they should be proud about. Their own prejudices don't allow them to admit that.

I blame the all "meant for kids" mentality. Frakk You George Lucas.

@Lewis

Thanks for be a good friend and keep things in order, i hope you have a Merry Christmas.

rdfox said...

@Mangusto: I know that English isn't your first language, so if this is a reading comprehension barrier, I apologize. But if you really, really think that what The Exiled One said is comparing you to Doug Walker, then, to quote Doug himself:

You're. An. Idiot.

(Yes, I rewatched the "Alone in the Dark" review recently.)

Exiled is saying that you're acting like one of Doug's characters, which is not something to aspire to. Doug's characters are, for the most part, complete and utter assholes of different varieties; That Guy With the Glasses (seen in Ask That Guy) is probably the worst of the lot.

(Actually, he's comparing you to the characters portrayed by most of the producers on TGWTG, but I'm using Doug as an example, as it's true for most of them. Even Lewis says that Linkara isn't a hero, and can be more than a bit of a dick--and except for maybe Angry Joe and the Last Angry Geek, he's probably one of the NICEST characters in the stable.)

Doug's characters are funny for two reasons. First, Doug's acting performance as them is spectacular; he has great comedic timing and delivery. And secondly, we know he's not (completely) serious when he says these horrible things; the characters are caricatures of aspects of his personality. NC is his snarky side with a megaphone; That Guy is his dark side turned up to 11. On top of that, he and Rob spend hours working out scripts to make sure that they're funny, and that they don't run any joke into the ground through overuse.

When you make these posts, there's no performance aspect to make us laugh at your timing and delivery. We can't tell if you're playing a caricature of yourself, playing a made-up role, or if you REALLY BELIEVE these things. And you seem to just stream-of-consciousness ideas without editing them; on those occasions you do make a funny, you proceed to overuse it until it's not funny any more. (I really, really know about that last sentence from personal experience.)

Basically, stop trying to be an internet reviewer here in AT4W's comments section. If you want to be an internet reviewer, get a camera, a microphone, and some editing software, and make your own reviews. Hell, do review videos of internet review videos; nobody's doing that yet, and the potential for metahumor is immense! Just stop trying to do it here, in text.

Because when you do it this way? It's just not funny. (See, if I was doing this like an internet reviewer, I'd have put in "INSERT CLIP: Joker's death from uncut Return of the Joker, 'That's... not funny...'" there. But I'm not; I just said it and got my point across.)

(And Lewis, I apologize if this comes across as a flame; I'm genuinely trying to be constructive here, rather than just lay into him. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an English comprehension problem involved...)

Lewis Lovhaug said...

It's appreciated, rdfox, though to both you and Exiled One, I'd appreciate it if you didn't call people idiots here.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@Rdfox, Anonymous, The Exiled One, etc...

A quick lecture :

Rule N° 1 About Trolls : "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

If you think or really believe i am a troll then don't answer me or address comments to my comments and Lewis is already doing a great job keeping me in line by the simplest easiest of acts : "DELETING AND IGNORING ANYTHING I TRY TO POST THAT DOESN'T FIT THE COMMENTS SECTION AND NOTHING ELSE!"

Seriously i don't know why you people can't just ignoring me like most of everybody else does. And as a matter of fact, except for CaptainCalvinCat, i don't even know if Rdfox, The Exiled One, Anonymous and a few others are not the same person posting the same thing over and over for the most ludicrous of reasons.

Serious guy is Christmas, go find something better to do.

@Lewis

I'm think i gonna throw the racist card on this people sooner or later, foreigners are not allowed to post comments here anymore just because their english is less than perfect ?

You personally already said everything that has been left to be said on this and i try to keep my creativity on a short leash the best i can but as a human being i occasionally fail as only you know but Geeezzz those or most probably that guy think i am really trying to hijack the comments section.

Constructive criticism is one thing, accuse me of doing something i'm not is completely different.

Again have a nice Christmas Lewis, i'm going back to resume my time trip vacation. Maybe i learn something in the past.

End Credits Johnny Cash - Ghost Riders in the Sky

*call me guilty but i have style damn it.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@Rdfox

quoting: "We can't tell if you're playing a caricature of yourself, playing a made-up role, or if you REALLY BELIEVE these things".

It's a mistery! So let's keep it this way.

Have a nice Christmas.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Just one thing, CaptainSake:

On a few occasions, the other guys are quite right. It can be a bit annoying, those things with the opening- and end-credits. Plus: Well, sarkasm is not working well in written form unless you mark it as such.

For example:
When I write: "Frank Miller is one of the greatest authors who ever lived and Gary Brodsky is a visionary." chances are 50:50 that I mean it wether completely honest and adore the work of both "artists" or that I mean the exact opposite. You cannot know, what I mean, in a written way. Why? Because in reality, when we would be sitting around - on Captain Linkaras Bridge e.g. - and I would be looking at the weapons, and if they are working, and then I would be saying, with utter conviction: "Frank Miller is a great artist", you would know, that I would mean it seriously.
Or when we would be sitting around, I would read a Miller-comic and say, with my voice, dripping with sarcasm: "Oh, he is such an artist." you would know, that I would love to borrow that sentence from Linkara "This comic SUCKS!".

But in written ways you can not really know, how I am thinking. And that is the problem, here.

And one Idea would be a quite good one:
"Hell, do review videos of internet review videos; nobody's doing that yet, and the potential for metahumor is immense! "

That sounds like a nice idea - I mean, every one of us is entitled to his own oppinion. And one could deconstruct and critizise the reviews the exact same way, as the reviews deconstruct and critizise "shitty" entertainment.

Take the "That guy with the glasses"-Review on "The Avengers", for example.
First of all: I Liked the show and I liked the movie.
Second of all: Maybe thats why I am biased.
third of all: Nowhere else, the constant screaming and yelling of the nostalgia critic annoyed me more.
Taking those points into consideration, I think, I would not be a great video-reviewer, but I think, other people could do a magnificient job there.

But I have to ask rdfox something: A text review (on its proper place - say : another homepage or maybe on a section of TWTG) would be something, to read, too, or wouldn`t it?

rdfox said...

@CaptainCalvinCat: Yeah, I'd be fine with text reviews in a separate place. The big point is that the primary purpose of the comments section here is for us to respond to Lewis and tell him what we think about the review.

Let's put it this way--in pro wrestling, when you're popular and get a big reaction, you're "over," and the process of getting that way is called "getting over." The real purpose of the comments section is basically to let Lewis know that he's "over," and what did and didn't work, so he can keep improving. It feels more like Sake is busy trying to get himself "over" than anything else, and it ends up being distracting and annoying to the audience. (Again, if you watch pro wrestling, think of Michael Cole on commentary lately.)

So yes, text reviews would be just fine with me if you or Sake were to, say, get your own Blogger page to post them on; there's a good chance I'd start following them, too. But honestly, trying to be a Funny Internet Caustic Critic in the comments section comes off as unfunny, annoying, and distracting. (Witness my attempt at using hyperbole by quoting Doug before that just completely flopped.)

(Speaking of which, I'd like to apologize for that--between the stress of Christmas shopping and dealing with people on Wikipedia who I *know* understand what I'm saying just fine, they just flat-out refuse to accept it, my patience levels were pretty much nonexistent and I essentially snapped at Sake. I don't actually think that, and I'm sorry for saying it. As clarification: Sake, when you quoted Exiled, you included the most critical word, but didn't bold it and didn't seem to recognize it. Exiled was comparing you to Doug's *characters*, not to Doug himself.)

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Dear CaptainCalvinCat,

I will improve my writting skills eventually but i will never change my style unless of course i start to get paid by somebody else to do it and even if was that the case first i must learn to be and make it in a funny way.

I may not be funny yet and may never will be but i had a lot of fun for my self doing it anyway and in a sadistic way i must admit : ...add sadistic snobbish tone at this point... "Reading Lewis reaction in text after several post approved by him entered the comments section was unexpected funny because we did already passed by that phase at least twice and suddenly when i think i did improved he complained again like i forced him to read through the worst comic book ever published all over again"...add evil grin and cut back to serious tone.

Seriously we did that suspension-back on the street-back to suspension again and on and on a few times and i think it was over at that point.

Addressing the matter at hand i think in my honest opinion the internet video reviewer field is already overpopulated with professional and amateurs feeding the masses with the best pearls they can provide, for me its time to go back to basics and explore more primal forms of exposition like text and podcasts because :

A) i'm an amateur, nobody is paying me for this and i must restrain my self to my real life schedule, after all i still have a job, a boring one, i envy you Lewis, you are great;(add happy face here)

B) video consumes an overwhelming amount of time to be made it properly beyond the realm of vlogs and that's where my envy for Lewis lifestyle ends, the guy works like a bulldozer, poor Lewis;(add sad face here, seriously)

C) despite any inherit advantages too much video, in the past decades, made people creatively impar ! Reading is becaming harder and harder at each generation and that's why crap like the Twilight books are easy for most people to read because they are written like something made by a first grader.

In countries like the USA this may be not entirely true but in my country literature is almost a desert with just a few oasis remaining here and there and most of the people didn't developed or even resist to developed a dual-language culture except if their jobs demanded.

My point stands for this : read is food for the imagination and imagination improves creativity, if i read i must create in my mind all missing parts of the show - like when i read Lewis' Youngblood review - and if i only listen like in the radio or a podcast i still need to build everything else missing on my mind - like when i listen IronLiz review of The Thing.

Lewis and the crew from TGWTG does an excellent job with the material provided for them and I Thank You the Mainstream Media for provide so much marble and ink for the true artists work over, they are all Michelangelos.

Meanwhile i am just a clown apprentice and a real rookie so i go further as my ability allow me to go and no further unless i can.

I stretch my quota already and Lewis is probably about to snap after reading this so after endless times (because i lost count) Have a nice holiday folks, i really need to get out of here.

End Credits - (add the beat of your preference...no guys seriously i really meant : "choose a song", i'm not a DJ.

Happy New Year Lewis !

CaptainCalvinCat said...

I am not a big fan of that wrestling-sport, so I hope, that you forgive me, when I don`t get all references. That’s why I don`t watch the reviews of the Warrior, because I was never really fond of this over the top “I can get you, And I will squash you like a buuug!”-thingie. Although I heard, from a friend of mine, that they have actually really good story-lines with people getting evil and Hulk Hogan destroying one wrestling-league by the “finger-poke of doom” (which I actually found quite funny.).
I am no sports-fan, I’m a european sci-fi-dude, who likes to watch stargate, star trek, Battlestar and a nice episode of NCIS.
But I think, that I understand that “getting over” concept.

“But honestly, trying to be a Funny Internet Caustic Critic in the comments section comes off as unfunny, annoying, and distracting.”
It can come off as unfunny, because it is not the proper place for it, we don`t know, that he is “playing a part” and stuff. I can totally understand you, there.

@ Sake:
B) video consumes an overwhelming amount of time to be made it properly beyond the realm of vlogs and that's where my envy for Lewis lifestyle ends, the guy works like a bulldozer, poor Lewis;(add sad face here, seriously)

And that is, why I write Fanfics. Okay, I have a tight schedule there, too – some idiot, who must be me, thought, that it would be a good idea, to post not three chapters but five this week – christmas eve, today, Wednesday, Friday, and new years eve, just to start the new years day with chapter 17… I must be stupid.
And that alone is hard stuff to do, if you don`t want to write mary-sues. Video, with acting and editing is something, which I think of as extremely hard, so not only a sad face here, Sake, but a Kudos! to Lewis, for working “like a bulldozer”. I mean, he has to read that shit once, then twice to analyze the plot in all its glorious stupidity, then a third time to work out all the possible gags and jokes, a fourth time to look “which panel can I take for the show” … maybe a fifth time, and I ask myself, at this point, how, he really can work under those circumstances.
I for my part would have lost the fun at reading comics right there, when I have to read the comic a fourth time and think, how stupid that piece of crap is.

@ Lewis Okay – seriously and not meant to be funny, but an honest question: Lewis, although I think, you have a great job, sometimes, that job must suck, doesn´t it? How can you keep up working on those things? And, please, I know, that Linkara has Beppo, but what about Lewis?

Greets

Cal

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Ok CaptainCal, i must agree : KUDOS FOR LEWIS !

And KUDOS Again because your description for Lewis work made him look like a behind the scenes newscast version of a WWE Wrestler, is a lot more fun imagine him doing all that while wrestling against all that stuff to put the show in order, on track and following the schedule all together with the dead lines trying to kill him.

"Like a Bulldozer" is not really a fair description, is like to say he pilots a Valkyrie when actually he works on a MegaZord, there is a big difference concerning size and scale.

Where i can find most of your fanfics Cal ? I only find two sites with a few stories so far. Call me lazy but you are not an easy author to find on google.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

CaptainSake, you used the "like a bulldozer" term, I just repeated it. ^^ And I didn`t used the comparison to WWE, too - that was rdfox.

^^

Greets

Cal

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@CaptainCalvinCat

I acknowledge and understand that Herr Calvin, there is nothing to worry about. This still doesn't answer my question :

Wo finde ich Ihre fanfics ? or Where can i find your fanfics ?

And by the way, don't amuses you the fact of a brazilian die nicht Deutsch sprechen (who don't speak german)and a german que não fala português who don't speak portuguese)can easily made a conversation in english between each other than most of Linkara's American fans ? Most of the time looks more easy for them to insult each other than anything else.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

It doesn`t amuse me, that we are two people, talking to each other in a language, which is not our own, on a homepage run by an american. That is the internet.

And my fanfics can be found, if they are searched for. I don`t know, what search-engine you use or which search-words, but when I enter my name, I most surely do find my fanfics. ^^

Greets

Cal

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Dear Herr CalvinCat,

you have an annoying tendency for modesty and deceptiveness Sir and i Salute you.

Cheers Captain and Happy New Year for All Germans as well all Continental United Americans.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Well, I am taking that as a compliment and say: "Thank you."

And to the wishes, I might add: "A happy new year for each citizen of planet Earth."

Greets

Cal

PM Pothead21 said...

omg... That ending scene.. Pollo's death. AMAZING! I loved it. I mean, I was sad, of course, but what a job you've done with it. I Love your story arcs. Too awesome.

Also, you really got me wanting to watch this movie. Always seen it referenced yet I've never seen it. Gonna watch this one asap, thanks :D

The Exiled One said...

It's official: Captain Sake IS The Angry Movie Dork.

Either that, or Linkara's own personal Irate Gamer.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@The Exiled One

Why ?

...and also Why are you cursing Linkara ? Attach me as his own personal anything is probably one of his worst nightmares, trust me when i say he don't want that.

The Exiled One said...

"...and also Why are you cursing Linkara ? Attach me as his own personal anything is probably one of his worst nightmares, trust me when i say he don't want that."

Says the guy who attached himself as Linkara's own personal apprentice.

The Blue And The Gold said...

Sorry to bring up Enterprise again, but I want to put this out to anyone who'd be willing to help (and thank you in advance): while perusing the TV show section at a local store, I noticed the first few seasons of the show. At $95. Now, I don't know how much that would be based on American currency, but surely it was never that expensive there was it? I mean, Voyage was $50 and that seems more reasonable. Yeah I know it's an older show but that's not the point, Enterprise isn't that young is it?
I'd consider importing if I had a multi-region DVD player but that's not my highest priority right now.

Also, Lewis, I stumbled upon one of the forums on TGWTG and noticed you commenting on someone's suggestion of Sylvester McCoy as Bilbo Baggins and that he'd be too old for the interpretation of the character in The Hobbit. So, I was wondering if you knew he actually HAS been cast in the film, as
Radagast The Brown.
If you knew this (you probably did), I apologize and I will try to be less foolish in the future. If you didn't, hope it's of good news to you or brightens your day a little.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@The Exiled One

quoting : "Says the guy who attached himself as Linkara's own personal apprentice".

Do you guys really take everything literally and seriously word by word ? Because that was a joke, a really sarcastic and yet bad one.

Linkara is no Jedi material and i am even less and i would never attach my self to another guy without permission.

Have fun.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@The Blue And The Gold

$95 ? $50 ? My dear boy or girl or both or else, did you never heard about torrents ?

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"@The Blue And The Gold

$95 ? $50 ? My dear boy or girl or both or else, did you never heard about torrents ?"

I'm sure they did, but we don't actively support piracy around here, especially not with SOPA around the corner.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

@ the Blue and the gold:

If you would own a multiregion-dvd-player, I would say, buy your DVDs in the euro-zone. ^^
I just had a look at amazon and they are selling Star Trek: Enterprise - half-season-boxes for 19,97 Euro, which would be 25,88 Dollar, right now. That means, that, if you would by a complete season you pay for a complete enterprise-season a little more than in your story for a complete voyager-season.

@ CaptainSake, @ Linkara:
I always try to support the movie-industrie, and I don`t torrent them. In my country, we have a big discussion, where people are saying, that when the executives of the Entertainment business dont bring up good products at reasonable prices, they shouldn`t wonder, that people torrent them.

I honestly like the "robin-hood-approach" and the thought, that we should not take any shit from those guys, BUT, what those people obviously don`t see, is, that if they are not paying the price for the dvds, they have de facto less money, and cannot make as good movies, as they could be, if everyone would pay.

Oh, and - a happy new year. ^^
By the way, Lewis, do you want to change weather? All we have is a grey sky and it is a bit raining. You have nice snow. I'd like to have snow. ^^

Greets

Cal

The Blue And The Gold said...

"I'm sure they did, but we don't actively support piracy around here, especially not with SOPA around the corner."

That and the point of getting DVD sets for me is so I'm able to use them outside of my laptop, in case it crashes or situations like that. Plus I like special features and knowing little of torrents, not sure if that's even something you can accomplish.

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Downloading complete episodes of Voyager and Enterprise for free is not piracy : is quality control and awareness against bad science fiction.

Thanks god at least we have that another guy with an opinion around the next internet corner to do all social work for us and free our minds : "Thank You Chuck Sonnenberg, the Real American Hero!" Now i don't need to waste my time downloading to know what is crap or not.

But you are right Lewis, piracy is bad for business, torrents must be free or else the Mainstream Media will never learn.

Happy New Year !

The Blue And The Gold said...

@CaptainCalvinCat
Many thanks for that ^_^. I do plan on getting one eventually, just have other things I'm focusing on at the moment. Though when I think of importing, I'm mostly looking at DVDs Australia lacks at the moment (like seasons beyond the first of the American Whose Line Is It Anyway? and such).

Also, I agree with your statement about people not being able to make movies without sales revenue, it's especially true for straight-to-DVD fare. Heck, that could affect the future of the DC Original line.

Also, Happy New Year to everybody!

CaptainCalvinCat said...

@ Captain Sake “Downloading complete episodes of Voyager and Enterprise for free is not piracy : is quality control and awareness against bad science fiction.”
Sorry to say, CaptainSake, but – that is just not true. I mean, everyone has their right to get a fair share of his or hers works, don’t you think? I mean, you most certainly don`t provide the company, you are working for, with your workforce and don’t get paid, right?
And even the baddest sci-fi-flick has besides of – say – bad actors or bad writers, people, who work there and do it, with all their heart. It is, what they have learned, it is, what they wanted to be or what they must do, to make a living.

I mean – granted – there are a few productions, you really think: “What the heck is that?” but I am sure, even there, were people at work, who loved, what they are doing.
So – downloading complete episodes of Voyager and Enterprise is not only piracy, it is just unfair behaviour.
Again – I don’t know, what your job is, and honestly, if you don’t want to tell, that is fine. But – you get paid. Lets say, you would be a accountant clerk at a company, that produces an average product. I don`t know. Socks, maybe or other textiles. The less socks would be sold, because people would be stealing them, the less money the company can make, so – in the end, and thinking about business economics, people must be “freigestellt”, which is an euphemism for getting their asses fired. Maybe it is your co-accountant clerk or maybe it is yourself.

I – for my part – say: When I want to watch a movie, I pay for it. And if it is crap – well, then the movie is crap.

“Thanks god at least we have that another guy with an opinion around the next internet corner to do all social work for us and free our minds : "Thank You Chuck Sonnenberg, the Real American Hero!" Now i don't need to waste my time downloading to know what is crap or not.”

Sorry to say here, but even if Sfdebris is a good reviewer, he is not infallible. Take his review for the TNG-Episode “Code of Honour” for example. He gave it 0 out of ten points, because he said, that it was racist etc. I listened to the episode, when I was 6 years old, and I quite liked it. Okay, meanwhile, I am a bit more seasoned, so, I see the flaws in that episode, don’t worry.

continues

CaptainCalvinCat said...

Or – take the Voyager-Episode “Threshold”, which is said to be the worst episode ever. Well, I cannot help myself, I saw worse. Or – a friend of mine is particularly fond of the episode “Tatoo” from season 2. She just likes the way, it is portrayed, but Sfdebris gave it - I think it was a 2 or a 1 out of ten.

Another thing, I didn`t like, but that all critics were saying “Great Movie”… the new Batman-films.
The Dark Knight was okay, but… I didn`t like “Batman begins”, because … well, at first, I have to admit, that I quite liked “Batman forever” and “Batman and Robin”. Hey, don’t look at me that way, I just have another oppinion. I like those movies, especially, because they are so – erm… I think “bright and colorfull” is the term. Yes, Schwarzenegger did a bad job etc. but – believe it or not, that was the movie, which brought me in contact with the entire franchise.

So – long story short: Yes, you do have to “waste your time”, to find out, what a good movie is, and what not. Don`t let others do that for you.
I mean – I like the work of Linkara and SFDebris (and if I heard it correctly, Chuck mentioned you in part one or two of his “Star Trek 2009”-review, Lewis) , I think, I said that enough, but… even if I like their reviews and their critiques, and even if they are mostly right, there are other people. People who have another taste, for example.
And – if I am honest – I have something against movies, that are bashed by everyone.

Take “Batman and Robin” – they said, it was bad. Someone called me “colorblind”, because I liked the movie. I think, people would think, that I am not extremely clever, because I like it. But never the less, it might be a not-so-good movie or a so-good-it-is-bad-movie, but, when so many people bash it, I cannot help but ask myself if people really have seen the movie and thought about it, or just bashed it, because that oppinion was “in” at that time.

@ the blue and the gold:

No problem, just want to help there. ^^
Oh, we have the “beyond the seasons”-Problem here, too.
We have only the first two seasons of “Quantum Leap”, and I highly doubt, that they will continue publishing them.
We have only a “best of”-Box of Remington Steele, and there it is official, that we won’t get the complete series.
“Whose Line is it Anyway”? I think, I heard of it. Some people sitting around and talking about actual events in world-politics and express satirical worldviews? Is that it?

And yes – it would be a desaster for the DC-Original-line, which would be extremely sad, because I like the movies.

Greets

Cal

The Blue And The Gold said...

@CaptainCalvinCat
Actually, it's a comedy show hosted by Drew Carey, in which four comedians perform in various comedic games for our enjoyment.
Here's a clip that might explain it better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ki9maK_TQ

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

@CaptainCalvinCat

Trust me Cal, torrents will never harm Brannon Braga and Rick Berman enough or even the Paramount Executives behind their exploitation of bad sci fi.

The only reason for me dowloading torrents is because the movies and tv series owners fail overseas to sold what i want on DVD by reasonable affordable prices, i am just eager as the Orange Lantern when concerning acquisitions but don't expect me to pay $50 or $95 American Dollars on those DVD sets when China, Russia and India provide them for free and THANKS BRICK-NATIONS BROTHERS FOR A JOB WELL DONE, GREEDY EXECUTIVES MUST STARVE.

by the way $50 or $95 USDollars are something like $100 or $200 Reals for me and my job don't pay me any amount closer to american minimum wage either. So downloads for me is like stolen booze from Al Capone's own storage facility.

The Shame is all yours Hollywood, you are whining like a lazy drug dealer who set the prices higher enough to be kicked out of business or made people really want to quit the fix.

CaptainCalvinCat said...

“Trust me Cal, torrents will never harm Brannon Braga and Rick Berman enough or even the Paramount Executives behind their exploitation of bad sci fi.”

But hence they are Executives, they have the excuse of lost frakking money, that stuff, that makes the world go round, brings countries from Tripple A to D and so on, to fire a few guys. So, what can we do?

We could all say: “No, we are not buying your shit anymore”, then they would say: “Okay, then we won’t produce it.”
It is pure business-economics. If you have a production, that is not cost-efficient, then you have to either fire a few workers or find other methods to make it cost-efficient.

In theory, that, what you are saying is business-economics as well.
Why spend money on something, you can get for free in other countrys?
That is indeed a good point, but, like I said, the producers, executives etc. they say: “Okay, why shall we make a product, when it is not bought, but stolen. We do not make any profit out of this.

“by the way $50 or $95 USDollars are something like $100 or $200 Reals for me and my job don't pay me any amount closer to american minimum wage either.”

That is a good point. And if the problem is, that you can’t afford the DVDs, then you are right, but you are not right, when you say, that that is the only way and some kind of “quality control” against bad sci-fi, because, lets be honest: What is bad Sci-Fi or bad entertainment?
In my class, I was the only one, who liked sci-fi. So, when you would have asked my classmates: “What is good entertainment?” they would have said “I am a celebrity, get me out of here.” Or they would have said: “Daily Soaps” or stuff like that. But no one would have said “Sci-Fi-Shows”, beside me. Hell, when we talked about Series, and I said “Oh, I like the series McGyver” the first reaction of my classmates was a heavy sighing, the sentence “No one watches that shit” and suddenly we talked twenty minutes about it, because everyone knew stuff and even little details about it.

So, what is bad sci-fi?
In 2011 they filmed the last episode of “Stargate: Universe” and I thought: “Thank god.” Because Imho, the show was bordering on being extremely boring and it was a bit like they have seen “Battlestar Galactica” and wanted to do something similar, but without everything, that made BSG great. And they wanted to make a Stargate-Show, but again, without anything, that made Stargate great.

But – on a battlestar-galactica-homepage I read something like: “Typical, now, when they make the show, like I would love them, they are turning it down.”

What is bad sci-fi? For you, CaptainSake, it is Voyager and Enterprise, but I am honest, I liked the most parts of Voyager, and even the most episodes of Enterprise.

“The Shame is all yours Hollywood, you are whining like a lazy drug dealer who set the prices higher enough to be kicked out of business or made people really want to quit the fix.”
Yeah, but the problem is, this “drug dealer”, has lawyers, who point all the facts out, that I have pointed out, too.
Productions cost money, the costs must be paying off, if they don`t then we have to find other ways of not loosing all the money, which would result in personnell layoff (or: getting the personnell fired and just a few still working there, for less money, then they would need to live) and so on, and so on.
Because, the only goal, an enterprise has, is not providing the people out there with nice entertainment, which is enjoyable but not stupid and other things… no, the ultimate goal of every enterprise is: profit maximization. That are economic facts.

Greets

Cal

Captain Sake Mangusto said...

Dear CaptainCalvinCat,

Linkara should hired you, you are my kryptonite, your prose overwhelms me Sir.

Keep things short (God and Lewis forbid me from trying following your pace), the problems from my point of view is this :

The Damn Executives don't really care that much about foreigner money, their aimed still is the domestic box office and they don't care about anything we have to say unless of course if you belong to that big fat 1.3 billion people cow called China and even in this case Hollywood is the chinese internet servers bitch and not the other way around.

That's why those suckers invented S.O.P.A., because they want to stop the domestic leak - like the Titanic didn't had sunk already.

Think this way : K-7s and VHS didn't kill the industry, CD and DVD Recordings didn't kill the industry, why torrents and ipods will succeed where every previous gadget fail ?

And they will not stop producing even with the allegedly lost of profits, i doubt they really lose anything for the black market because they are probably partners in crime. I didn't stolen the original archives from their data base and spread in the world, i just downloaded something somebody else up loaded and guess what : even for free somebody else get some profit from my download and that wasn't me.

Only the facts Cal this comment is going too far for a short response already and i invite you to continue this conversation through e-mail, i agree with most of what you have to say but this philosophical debate has no place in a comment column meant to be used to talk about Lewis Show.

I respect your opinion on this matter despite my own personal disagreements concerning the matters of file sharing, in my honest opinion Europe still have much yet to be teach for America (the whole continent, not just the south, central or north portion either).

Le Messor said...

That's weird. I'd thought it was only in the DC and Marvel universes that somebody had replaced all the light bulbs on jet fighters with red ones. I'd always assumed it was Scott Summers, since he'd never notice the difference.
Now it looks like it's affected the (comics) Enterprise, too. NOoooo!!!

Blue and Gold - where the Phantom Menace did you get a single-region DVD player in Australia? By law, they're all supposed to be multi-region.

If you tell me your brand and model, I should be able to tell you how to make it multi-region (except one particular brand... I forget which.)

My Enterprise collection is UK.
$95 isn't bad if it's for all 4 seasons - how many did you find?
But if you wait, it might go down to $20 (like, say, BSG seasons 4 are now... that is to say, season 4 part one and part two.)

The Blue And The Gold said...

"Blue and Gold - where the Phantom Menace did you get a single-region DVD player in Australia? By law, they're all supposed to be multi-region.

If you tell me your brand and model, I should be able to tell you how to make it multi-region (except one particular brand... I forget which.)"

*Posts reply now even though he knows Lewis won't be approving comments for the time being, so he doesn't forget*

Thing is, I'm using my Xbox 360 as my DVD player. I've heard people say they are multi-region but I don't have any non Region 4 DVDs to try and I'm not going to order something on the chance it doesn't work. Plus, years ago, I remember trying Chaplin (the only DVD that was a different region, bought it second hand amongst others) through my PS2 and it wasn't recognized. Can't remember if I tried it through my 360 but I've assumed gaming consoles have the same limitations with regions.

Le Messor said...

Blue and Gold - I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you. I honestly didn't recognise your comment as a new one (through my bookmark feed).

I've looked up region coding hacks for the X-Box 360, and one exists, but you need to have the 4532 and 4548 kernels (I don't know what that means), and it involves warranty voiding.
(And joining another forum to find the actual hack itself.)

Sorry I can't be more help. If you don't have the DVDs, though, I guess it's not that big a deal.

MemphisLarry said...

After watching this video, I have to praise you for your review of the comic/movie. I do have an issue of note with the review. The issus is with Spock being the one to restore the warp drive

Spock repairing the warp drive can be reasoned by considering his abilities. He has vast array of knowledge including warp physics as noted in TOS: Naked Time and one of the questions at the beginning of the ST4: The Voyage Home. Spock also has greater physical endurance for pain (TOS: Operation: Annihilate), perhaps even physical damage.

I have often wondered if Spock or another crew member couldn't have put on a space suit to protect against the radiation, not enough time perhaps.

The Blue And The Gold said...

"
I've looked up region coding hacks for the X-Box 360, and one exists, but you need to have the 4532 and 4548 kernels (I don't know what that means), and it involves warranty voiding.
(And joining another forum to find the actual hack itself.)

Sorry I can't be more help. If you don't have the DVDs, though, I guess it's not that big a deal."

Hmm, not much of a technical mind so I wouldn't know where to begin with stuff like that. Also, I wouldn't want to do anything that could potentially backfire on me.

Oh I appreciate the help, I wasn't expecting anyone to go the extra mile and look into these things, so much obliged ^_^

Le Messor said...

Blue and Gold -
It's cool. Glad to (try to) help.

Wait, there is no try! Do or donut!
mmm donuts...

MichaelJGleason said...

Maybe theres a secret valve in the plasma tube?

Dragons Dusk said...

Is it strange that I cry at the end stuff with Pollo? I felt choked up the first time I saw this trilogy. Pollo's words quoting Spock made me so worried in the previous ep.

I had a guess the first time through what was going to happen and now, of course, this being a rewatch I knew but it didn't lessen the impact. Through the show I've come to really like and appreciate Pollo. Linkara you make an awesome Starfleet Captain.

And I do apologize if my comment is sort of spazy, not having the best of brain nights.