Monday, August 27, 2012

Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham #2



The dark, haunting tale of a woman and her improbable physique!



153 comments:

Lizard-Man said...

What do you think of the claim that they're just holding off on reintroducing Steph until they get a decent pitch for a book with her?

I'm befuddled by it myself cause I don't see why they can't use the character and why they refuse to answer questions about her. The only other option I can think of is that they do indeed hater, but I'm trying not to fall into Occam's Razor just yet.

Also great great review Lewis as always, just felt I needed to ask ya about that.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque said...

Maybe the "cutting off the glove" thing is a reference to 10 Nights of the Beast?

LucasChad said...

I would like hear you and James Rolfe debate on that scene from Tim Burton's Batman, but that's not why I'm here.

All I have to say is that the revelation in your ongoing story can be described by one simple word...Deep! All the heroic times you did during the show, I could never imagine it makes you evil yet we fans can defend your moments of heroicness? Doesn't that make all of us evil? Anyway, this kind of plot point I want to congratulate you on because no other internet review show offers these kind of poigant and intriguing plots well thought out by you to keep fans glued to their computers. I'm glad to have become a fan of your show since 2009 and hoping to keep watching. Thanks a bunch!

Anyone00 said...

The more I see Linkara reviewing this type of stuff the more I want to see a crossover review with Bennett the Sage where Bennett binds Linkara in chair and props his eyes open Clockwork Orange style and forces him to review something Queen's Blade related.

Robert 'Staredcraft' Willing said...

Actually Linkara it was mentioned at a recent Convention YES plans ARE in the works for Stephanie and Cassandra

harmonicajay said...

Watched it on Blip. Knew it. Also, how old is Crazy B? I know that in the 1989 Batman movie Jack Napier was younger but this Batman looks to be the same age as Selina. Maybe a few years older. This was dumb. Honestly, I could tell a better Catwoman as "Batman" story without her being a female version of Bruce Wayne. Give her usual backstory but not as a thief. Just a crusader for the downtrodden. Also, have you heard the news that Catwoman will be a member of the new JLA in 2013?

Also, have you taken a look at the new Smallville comic? If not that is fine. I am a bit of a fan myself of it.

About the end, interesting explanation of magic. Also, very good look back on your character's past actions. Hope things work out for Linkara.

mandilo said...

This one hell of a dark ending... on the other hand now i want to watch your old episodes again....

And for the review : this was not a batman/catwoman story. I'm not a comic reader but except for the names this story is like a bad series about crime fighting...

Peace1986 said...

Bravo on the review Fakekara ;P
Although I disagree with you on your comments of Brooks wearing a skirt.
It's a Belt. With Lace. Nothing that short can be considered a skirt.

As to the Linkara story. I like the Wizard and the little factoid on Malachite. Does this mean Linkara won't be visiting a certain coffeeshop? Or is that part for his redeeming quest?

Peace

Anonymous said...

So, is Steve the Wizard going to be a recurring character?

Because I really like him.

Also, if Margret was the reason why you magic stopped working, then what is the point of the Gunslinger in this storyarc?

Joshua Ford said...

Great episode as always, but there is one thing that I feel is kind of a missed opportunity in your schedule (at least from what I can see at the moment). It would be the perfect time to review a magical superhero comic like Doctor Strange, or Zatanna.

D-doc said...

So when you get back and see what Hol-kara has be doing, you would see what you could have ended up as if Margaret hadn't cut your magic off?

Regarding the comic- I dont know who they are but they are not Catwoman (what is your opinion on her being part of the JLA team) and Batman (how old would he be if he was the one who killed her parents, yet they look the same age?)

Anonymous said...

nice decontruction of the previously on segments

Xel Unknown said...

Storyline had a lot of "I knew it!" moments, and those are always fun. :3

RocMegamanX said...

I'm not familiar with the complete lore of Catwoman, but how was she "a positive influence in Batman's life" if she was a criminal and Batman HATES criminals?

tenkiforecast said...

That's actually a pretty clever twist for the ongoing story. All the moments that are taken as zany black comedy coming back to serve as a signal of constant character flaws. Kudos, that's a really nice twist.

As for this story...wow, that is bad. Villains without any sort of redeeming feature are just boring. Kefka from FFVI just averts this by becoming even more psychotic and arrogant as the game progresses while still retaining that hint of comedic non sequiturs even at the game's finale. This version of Bats... Nope! Nothing like that, just a boring killer. It's not even tense either, it's just boring. And dear lord the art...I get annoyed at giant T&A shots in video games and anime/manga, but this is just stupid. At least in other mediums the characters are at least drawn well and correct spine structure, this book is flat out dumb. I wonder if the artist has ever seen an *actual* female body, or if he is from a family of contortionists. That's my only explanation.

nuttersinc said...

Grate review as always Lewis. Seriously what was with the radicalisely revealing outfits everywoman wore? I’m also really enjoying the story line it’s just so dark.

I just have two questions. If Holokara is becoming evil, for the same reasons as Linkara, shouldn’t he be less (not more) evil than the real Linkara. He was a copy made before Halloween and I assume he’s turned off, when not in use, to conserve energy. Shouldn’t that mean he’s had less time to become evil? After all he didn’t face Lord Vyce again or convince the Entity to kill itself. Or am I just over thinking things? The other question is; would an EMP take out Holokara?

Kanashe said...

Great review indeed, but if I'm allowed to bring up something. In Superman Red Son, Batman wasn't rich and he didn't tour the world, but that didn't stop him from making his own weapons,costume and even learning how to fight. I'm not trying to defend the bad comic, I'm just saying even in good elseworld stories, it seems Batman can be a bad ass if he's rich or not

Jarkes said...

Yeah, those clips with Liz reminded me of something... you never really gave an in-story explanation as to WHY Liz stopped appearing on the show. I mean, most of us know by now that you stopped dating each other about a year ago, but the Wrath of Khan review, her last appearance on the show, was posted AFTER that (though, to be fair, I don't know when you actually FILMED those sections).

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Yeah, those clips with Liz reminded me of something... you never really gave an in-story explanation as to WHY Liz stopped appearing on the show. I mean, most of us know by now that you stopped dating each other about a year ago, but the Wrath of Khan review, her last appearance on the show, was posted AFTER that (though, to be fair, I don't know when you actually FILMED those sections)."

I felt that addressing it in the show would give attention towards things I didn't want to give attention towards, so as such I just let her final scene be where she's looking out at the world alongside me. I think that was good. ^_^

And besides, Liz could still appear in the show, it's just I haven't felt a need to include her, especially since she's busy with school stuff.

boooratt said...

Wow that was a pretty lame story and the ending makes me wonder is this all a bad setup for a weird Huntress origins?
I'm still in that boat that this concept for an Elseworld isn't terrible it could work in many different ways. A world where Catwoman with her normal back story decides to become a hero instead of a thief. A world where Batman becomes a tyrannical hero and/or a crime kingpin (a lot like Owlman of Earth 2) and Catwoman becomes a hero to try and stop him (that plot is actually used in a few Elseworlds I've read with a few different villains being the hero trying to stop him most notably was one with Anarky and like Red Hood or the Jester in Earth 2). Or, even with this set up with basically a female Bruce Wayne that choices a Cat as a symbol and a male Selena Kyle that choices a Bat as his. The problem with a lot of these Elseworlds is they take a little too much library and change a lot more with in their sort of What if... style story that it isn't so much what if Catwoman was the protector of Gotham as here's a really blow-average comicbook story with the names and likenesses of characters you know doing things that aren't really them. Some more Elseworlds stories that do this that I'd love to see on here but I don't know if Linkara has them in his collection are some that feature basically stories like what if all the superheroes were killed and the Earth (alone) was taken over what would happen? Ok that is an interesting idea the problem is they try to set it up as if this was something that could happen in the mainstream universe the problem is at the time and with in this same setting it was the Hal Jordan Green Lantern meaning even if he was killed and along with all the other Earth based Lanterns there is still an entire Army of them out there and it's there job sort of to stop these kind of events from happening. And that's not to mention all the other off-world races and alliances that would get involved in an event like that?
Ok, sorry about that rant!!!
In short I'm saying an idea could be a great story with the proper care!


I do gotta say still this comic feels like one of those YouTube videos where they take those XXX Porno Parodies movies and cut out all the sex scenes and just have the characters in costume acting.

I'm kind of hoping that the Reboot gets undone still... As I'm confused still by somethings there are writers that still like to use old references to old stories from the Silver Age but they keep wanting to change things that are classic parts of the characters that a lot of people know.

Nice use of Weird Al again!



Wow, so in your universe you can't become an evil wizard or your own soul will stop you? What about the soulless?
Well, I guess you'll have to trade your soul to like one of the Dark Ones to get your power back! Hey, i actually like the idea of the hero I fallow getting the powers from a dark source! Might explain why Spawn was one of my favorite comic characters! Go full EVIL already!

Anonymous said...

Was "You clearly don't have a daughter that needs money for an operation" a Scott Lang/Cassie Lang refrence?

DuelMark said...

Well personally I would have it be like the episode of Batman: The Brave and The Bold "Chill of the Night".
I'm not spoiling it, you all should watch the episode.

Jarkes said...

"
I felt that addressing it in the show would give attention towards things I didn't want to give attention towards, so as such I just let her final scene be where she's looking out at the world alongside me. I think that was good. ^_^

And besides, Liz could still appear in the show, it's just I haven't felt a need to include her, especially since she's busy with school stuff."

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Anonymous said...

My word.

I've been a fan since US#1 and watched most of your videos (disagreeing on Masked Rider being good) and this is the ep that breaks my silence.

This felt like a splash of cold water on the face.

The review on This product from DC is godawful and I pray they will someday soon bring Cassandra and Steph back but will we like what they become I wonder.

DC shovels out Garbage and Gems and it seems that Garbage is nearly all we see anymore from the company (Even Earth 2 since without Alan, who talked to Kyle after Major Force was defeated in their first go around?).

As for the storyline the Linkara character probably needs to walk the rest of the way for now.

Inquisitor D. said...

First class review, and it's good to hear you talk about Steph. I know you're a fan, but can't recall you having brought her up on the show before.

And wow, wasn't expecting you to change your mind on the concept like that. Shows what kind of writer you'd be (IE, one who is willing to consider that they've made a mistake)

First class review! (And, needless to say, utterly crappy comic. Though I would like to see it revisited by a GOOD creative team)

PS; Brooks' outfit looks like a porno costume. Literally. Don't ask me how I know that. ;) :p

(PPS. My Elseworlds idea: Alfred isn't allowed to become Bruce Wayne's legal guardian, Bruce is sent to an orphanage. Years later, Jim Gordon becomes Batman; a low level costumed vigilante with an investigation focus, and Bruce Wayne becomes his partner, the charming, athletic Robin.)

Jenna said...

I think you need "The Real Ghostbusters" bumper music to really sell those commercial breaks. ;P

"What about curses or dark magic? Hell, that Magic Gun was forged in a terrible ritual!"
"When that happens, they tend to be granted magic from a more powerful, dark, demonic source that doesn't exist in this world. A god or a demon bestows a 'boon' on some poor sap, forgetting to mention that there's always a price."


...Waaaaait a minute...is this gonna end up with Linkara being tempted by the devil (or, you know, some kind of demon) to make a deal to get his power back? I mean, I know that kinda happened in the 200th review but that was a gag, what if it's played completely straight in the storyline? Maybe that's why Linkara decided to review One More Day for his 200th! That review does seem to be becoming more and more relevant to the storyline, what with Linkara criticizing Peter for not growing up and taking responsibility for his actions, a problem that the Linkara character seems to also have. I'm probably wrong, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Anyway, great video as usual!

Jesse said...

I always liked the idea of Batman never finding Joe Chill myself. A new, great spin could be him finding Joe, and actually making peace with him OR just finding out he wasn't evil, just desperate like he did in "Dark Knight Returns." Adds a new level to him, as I don't think Batman has ever even considered the idea that his parents were killed by a desperate man. This wouldn't diminish his origin, it could end up helping it by allowing this one amount of closure to it.

I don't get how Bruce wanting Selina's fortune was obvious when you were asking why he was doing it? You even said so in the credits of last week's episode. Said it for the sake of the joke?

Why does DC hate Stephanie Brown? Like them hating Superboy-Prime it makes no sense. I remember you mentioning DC won't allow Stephanie and Cassandra Cain in a "Q&A" for earlier video but I still don't get WHY they hate these characters. Brown, Cain, Prime. No reason to hate them.

PS The Wizard left out how many of those times you had A LOT going on at the moment. That doesn't allow some liberties? Oh well.

Anyways good luck Linkara. Don't lose faith.

Superbun said...

Great review as always Linkara!

One comment I would like to make. I don't think your criticism of the "I created him" thing was entirely justifed. While yes she did jump to the conclusion she was responsible for Batman, and it wasn't really developed, it is a good idea, and could be an interesting exploration of the idea "Are the hero's actions really for the greater good?"

E. Wilson said...

Looking at those clips back-to-back made me realize you've dropped some weight. Good on you, man! (Was in the same spot myself last year.)

Jarkes said...

Also, for some reason, when Steven was yelling at Linkara, that echo effect made him sound like Zordon. Was that intentional, or is it just me?

Wednesday said...

I almost literally headdesked when you read out the dialogue about Selina fighting crime because she's emotionally needy. This is not a criticism that would ever get aimed at a male character. Can you imagine someone telling Superman the only reason he became Superman is because he wants the people of Earth to love him as much as the people of Krypton would have loved him?

I did literally groan out loud as soon as you read the bit about Selina not feeling quite like herself. In a mainstream comic? Right after a wedding? Even before she said she'd been to the doctor, I thought, "Yep, she's pregnant." And of course, Selina doesn't feel any sort of ambiguity about bearing the kid of the man who murdered her parents and best friend and tried to kill her.

I love the contrast between the cliched, sexist tropes in the book and Margaret trying to save Linkara. I mean, I liked the plot of the magic gun to begin with, and I was thrilled to find out her name last week. But really, learning she's blocked Linkara's magic to buy him time to stop falling makes it even better. I mean, she's the ghost of a brutalized little girl who learned all her life that loving someone meant being hurt and used by them. But she's learned enough about real kindness with Linkara that once she recognizes the dangerous path he's on, she does what she can to save her friend.

Possibly I'm overthinking it, but I'm an English major and that's my job.

FugueforFrog said...

Just a bit of a tip: "Secret Agent Man" was not originally by Devo. The original version of the song was done by Johnny Rivers in the 60s, actually as an American theme song for the Patrick McGoohan show "Danger Man" (which was known as "Secret Agent" in the US...heck there is a line in the song that some say foreshadow the direction McGoohan would go with it when he moved from this show to "The Prisoner") Devo did a notable cover of it though...

I think you said all that needs to be said about this mess of a comic, what with it's feeling of how women can't handle being heroes and Batman being awesome even if he's a villain. It's sick and disgusting and I just don't get why they needed to write this.

Oh and the crazy maid's tongue bit: they do that all the time in anime, sort of a cute "joking" sign. It had no reason or purpose in this but hey I didn't write this mess.

Jarkes said...

Also (and I'm really sorry for basically posting multiple comments in a row), in the Previously On segment, one of the reviewers (I forget who), says, as the music's getting loud, "It's like Murray Gold did the music for this segment!" Isn't Murray Gold the current composer for the Doctor Who series? I'm pretty sure James Horner was the guy who composed the music for Star Trek II (and I think III-V as well, but not VI).

The Last Omega Man said...

How are you only an internet reviewer!?!? That stuff at the end? Dude, you make Dr. Phil look like a two bit hack!... or did your brother write that part? If so, how is he not on TV!?

A great review with an awesome ending. Keep it up, man.

Scott Tibbs said...

Great video, and spot-on commentary about the way Catwoman was drawn. Over-sexualizing female characters is one of the big weaknesses of comics generally.

Maybe Batman had someone punch him in the face to heal his broken nose. After all, it worked for a herniated disc in The Dark Knight Rises.

Daniel T. Stack said...

So everyone who has any moments of selfcenteredness or times of being a Jerk is Evil and incapable of ..

The Wizard bit on this highlights some things but looking at them in context I still call Bull Crap on going evil.

And apparently you are now in a world out of continuity with all other internet reviewers if those demonic aspects do not exist in the world.

How many times has Sage done his Satan bit?

The comic was bad but this heavy handed morality "needed" to be a good guy with Magic is almost worse. If this was the case in other parts of channel awesome then everyone would have to be a Paladin because everyone uses magic at some point in the reviews even just as a gag reaction to give a reason for an after effects shot.

Yes there are Consequences. Even for Good uses of power there are consequences. Not weighing them first does not make you evil it makes you careless. Those are not the same. There are also unforeseen consequences to everything major.

I could see how the gun could be worried but well she's jumping the gun. Nothing in context is half as bad as anything is being accused of being. If you had done something more severe like ERH-kara reaching in to grab the heart or something... Or heck spacing Vile deliberately. Or even just a true casual attack on someone otherwise innocent it would have been more convincing.

Master Control Cynic said...

Wow, were you planning this storyline for THAT long?

Gonzo said...

Wait, was Batman stealing the idol from Raiders of the Lost Arc? O_o Also, I just noticed that one of the Batarangs has a little face on it. I like to imagine Batman sitting in his belfry with a bunch of magic markers, doodling on his weaponry and cackling maniacally.

As for the glove spikes... well, it's better than that stupid chin spike of Midnighter's.

PopCultureOtaku said...

I want to comment on the steph and cassandra thing. I have said elsewhere that I don't believe dc has plans for them. I think they are lying to us not as to piss us off. They shelved Steph, Wally, and others probably perminatly or at least really changing of whose in charge. I don't mean someone who is going to go along with Dido and follow along the same lines he was doing. I have heard enough of their lies and it being exposed to know not to trust them at all.
Lizard-Man said they are waiting for a decent pitch. I heard half way decent Gail Simone pitch over the weekend on Bleeding Cool that would have been better then nothing. Editors supposedly tore through it before never getting off the ground. I know their are people who want to use to them and I don't believe it's because no decent pitch. After new 52 makes me wonder what they even consider a decent pitch anymore. They can say one thing but action speak louder then words.
Here is one point. I think the real reason wally not being used because they know fans like him more barry. Not cause they couldn't think of a way not to undo his family. I could think of 10 ways to. Are you telling me no one at dc could come up with one? Just saying this is why I don't believe them is stuff like this.
They said this weekend they want to build a universe first and then bring old characters back. How is that working for Batwing (barley holding at 20k), Frankstein (16k), Blue Beetle, I Vampire or some their other books there are not selling. I have heard DC BS enough to know that you can't believe them. I know people want to but until we actually see something actually project announced with them again then I will believe. Until then I will point Smallville pr nightmare as another reason why I don't believe them.
Thank god i'm not only realize that hates stephanie brown. Again the pitch I mention above and smallville. That is true then DC should use her and I don't want to hear the whole no decent pitch. People keep asking for them and they want them. Listen to your fans DC and not your editors. Your fans are keeping you in business not them.
Sorry I went on rant but just had to get my two cents on that. I know people want to believe and trust DC. I can't. Keep on harping on DC on this on stephanie and the other characters missing. All fans should.
Okay finally to the comic. Not a great comic but not the worst I have seen. Oh hell not the worst elseworlds story.

boooratt said...

""Yeah, those clips with Liz reminded me of something... you never really gave an in-story explanation as to WHY Liz stopped appearing on the show. I mean, most of us know by now that you stopped dating each other about a year ago, but the Wrath of Khan review, her last appearance on the show, was posted AFTER that (though, to be fair, I don't know when you actually FILMED those sections)."

I felt that addressing it in the show would give attention towards things I didn't want to give attention towards, so as such I just let her final scene be where she's looking out at the world alongside me. I think that was good. ^_^

And besides, Liz could still appear in the show, it's just I haven't felt a need to include her, especially since she's busy with school stuff.

August 27, 2012 5:09 PM
"



We'll just call it a case of Chuck Cunningham syndrome. For those that don't get that means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Donmega60645/Chuck_Cunningham_Syndrome

ShadowWing Tronix said...

I called the girl in gun being responsible, at least. Kind of missed the "turning evil" part although now that I think about it ever since he got the ship he's been more prone to jerkish behavior.

I'm thinking that Holokara's problem is that he doesn't balance bad comic reading with good ones since he's only supposed to be a reviewing temp and isn't programmed for it. If all you're ever exposed to is bad stuff it may temper a good mood.

He need to go back and read the comic that got Linkara into comics, although Linkara himself could use that to remind himself how a hero should act. (Said the man who hasn't read it, mind you.)

Steve said...

Soooo since all of this lines up damn near perfectly, I've got to ask: did you plan all of this out from start to finish, like Straczynski, or did you see a pattern in past works and retcon it into the main narrative, like Moffat or the JLU staff?

You want to know what would have made the last fight scene in the comic better? No dialogue for the entire fight, a la the Shrieker fight in Batman Beyond, showing her face get angrier and sadder at once as she beats him to a bloody pulp, before he, mask torn off, begs for mercy. Where to go from there, I haven't a clue yet, but it shows more than it tells, so I'm calling improvement. XD

Sijo said...

The title card gives away the comic's "twist ending" but as you yourself pointed out, it wasn't really worth the while anyway.

This comic obviously was just fanservice (and mostly for the people who wrote and drew it) quality be damned. I guess since it was an Elseworlds, they didn't care (DC doesn't care much about their mainstream universe these days either.)

I see now where you are going with this plotline, Lewis. But I have to say, it feels kind of forced. In the only-partially serious universe of the TGWTG Critics, your character's occasional rantings and selfish acts barely count as evil. Honestly, Steve came across more as sanctimonious than as someone who should be taken seriously. At least that was the impression I got. Still, while I'm not entirely convinced Linkara needs a "redemption arc" I'm still interested in seen where this goes, if only because the show is so well written and acted.

(And so was the intro with the 'Previously In' segment parody. Clever way to cross over. ;) )

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Yes there are Consequences. Even for Good uses of power there are consequences. Not weighing them first does not make you evil it makes you careless. Those are not the same. There are also unforeseen consequences to everything major."

And as the wizard said - he isn't there yet. He's TURNING evil, not that he IS evil. Arrogance, presumption of superiority (particularly with Comicron One - might makes right), and general dickish behavior. It's building up to a point where he could suddenly decide "you know what? Maybe I should use my big, powerful spaceship to make people do what I want."

13th Doctor said...

"I see now where you are going with this plotline, Lewis. But I have to say, it feels kind of forced. In the only-partially serious universe of the TGWTG Critics, your character's occasional rantings and selfish acts barely count as evil. Honestly, Steve came across more as sanctimonious than as someone who should be taken seriously. At least that was the impression I got. Still, while I'm not entirely convinced Linkara needs a "redemption arc" I'm still interested in seen where this goes, if only because the show is so well written and acted."

Sadly, I agree. Yeah, Linkara can be arrogant but I would hardly call that signs of evil. It's not like you killed a bunch of Tusken Raiders or anything. Also, it is a bit distressing to have those funny moments but in such a serious and off-putting light. Maybe I am taking things too seriously; I just don't like deconstructions.

As for the review, damn, don't let Doug hear you criticize Burton's Batman since he thinks there are actual moral dilemmas. HA!!

I thought the "Previously on..." segment was hilarious but Kyle better lay off Murray Gold lol.

Gears said...

"And as the wizard said - he isn't there yet. He's TURNING evil, not that he IS evil. Arrogance, presumption of superiority (particularly with Comicron One - might makes right), and general dickish behavior. It's building up to a point where he could suddenly decide "you know what? Maybe I should use my big, powerful spaceship to make people do what I want."

So does that mean that perhaps we'll see 'Evil' Linkara in a future episode?

Loved the review:D.

Daniel T. Stack said...

I know you can't give it away but you still have #1 Where did the guy at the start of the arc where magic stopped working come from. and #2 you and the spirit of the gun are going to have to have a heart to heart.

That Wizard confrontation was so out there it even made me forget that I was appalled that they actually did have Batman living in a Belfry. I don't think the writers knew anything about either of the characters beyond general outlines and history descriptions of Good Vs Criminal.

Anonymous said...

Question:if magic can only be used for good in your world,how come Mechakara could have used the magic coin?

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Question:if magic can only be used for good in your world,how come Mechakara could have used the magic coin?"

Vyce's enhancements let him, since the magical energy he utilizes comes from a different world with different rules for how magic operates.

Andrew said...

Linkara, post my comment for once if you aren't truly evil!

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Linkara, post my comment for once if you aren't truly evil!"

...Huh?

Daniel T. Stack said...

Andrew usually posts a little late and probably loses his comments in the other responses after they actually do get approved.

Jarkes said...

"And as the wizard said - he isn't there yet. He's TURNING evil, not that he IS evil. Arrogance, presumption of superiority (particularly with Comicron One - might makes right), and general dickish behavior. It's building up to a point where he could suddenly decide "you know what? Maybe I should use my big, powerful spaceship to make people do what I want."

And THAT must be how the Mirror Universe Linkara became evil.

Sabre said...

I think a book not about sexiness can have sexiness in it. Gold Digger is a great example of this. It has a bunch of fanservice and innuendo without hurting the story. True, it's mostly light humour stories anyway, but some of the more serious stuff like the story "Best Friends" (I think that was the title) still have more impact than the few "mainstream" comics I've read.

Kaibaman41 said...

You know a Comic is bad when even a Hologram such as Holo-kara points out the obvious Bull Shit. Sure he's going evil because his Real Self is but still my point remains.

Also from what I heard recently DC is planning to sorta reboot the Batman stories only because the Batman story writers not only wrote the stories into a corner(pun not intentional) but didn't reference the other once in awhile and thus DC is making a bunch of #0 Comics explaining a characters backstory in the New 52....but apparently their not just doing some hate with Steph their also doing some hate with the Robins. Dick Grayson in his current Nightwing stories revealed his family has been involved with mystery Assassins and that in a weird strange twist Dick is supposed to be the Leader of this group but sense he was never told of it's exsistance never was. Not only that apparently their going to make it were Tim Drake has never been a Robin which I'm pretty pissed about if that's true. Yeah DC strangely appears to be on a Robin hating spree too sense THEY KEEP MAKING SHITTY RED HOOD JASON TOD COMICS! Atleast Rob Liefeld is no longer working at DC THANK GOD!

Jeff Jacobson said...

I was expecting the Troll II "Oh my god!" clip after Catwoman said "You killed Brooks...And now your going to kill me!"

rbwhiffet said...

I wish I could believe that standing on her tippy-toes was a clever reference to the way cats actually walk. Unfortunately the high-heels still wouldn't work, so it's just stupid.

I think the main thing that bothers me about this story is that the premise could be really interesting. Let's not make it "Batman, but SEXY!!" If we really want Catwoman is good and Batman is bad instead of just a Catwoman story, we could still do better than SEXY BATMAN!! Instead have Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne more or less keep their original backstories, but with a few different choices along the way. There are all sorts of ways this could work. I've even thought of a bunch of different reasons Bruce could end up a villain. The most convincing one, to my mind, is that he mostly travels the same path and uses his wealth to fight crime, but he is so angry about his parents' deaths that he goes to any lengths to kill criminals, not caring who else gets hurt along the way. I imagine this is worse than it otherwise would be because Alfred, for some reason, isn't present. I haven't thought to the point where I figure out why yet.

Anyway, I think that would be much more interesting than this mess. I'd like to see Catwoman deciding she can be better than her origins and becoming a successful crimefighter with limited resources (as compared to Batman's basically infinite resources). That difference would make for different stories than usual and actually be a bit more inspiring than typical Batman stories. If it's done right, anyway.

Your own storytelling ability has really improved since you first starting having storylines in the show. They interest me more than they used to. Good job!

Karfsma778 said...

Quick question, why didn't Linkara counter-argue about all the good he's done? Or at least ask if that helped at all?

Lauralot said...

Being a cosplayer who has to deal with the impractical aspects of comic costumes, I think my mind just snapped when you pointed out that Catwoman's corset extends down between her legs in this book.

How in the name of all that is pure can she use the bathroom in that suit? The corset is far too tightly laced to make taking it on and off quickly an option. She can't be using tubes and bags like an astronaut, because the legs and boots of her costume are too tight to accommodate it it. Is there some sort of buckle in the groin portion of the corset with a crotch zipper in the suit below it? How would that not chafe horribly, given how tight her outfit is? It just...it just raises too many questions.

Awesome review as always, and I can't wait to see how this story line turns out.

Daniel T. Stack said...

Thinking about other ways this could have been done what about this scenario.

After the Wayne parents die people among the controlling stock holders take over and then bankrupt all Wayne industries leaving Alfred to adopt Bruce to avoid him going to an orphanage but in the collapse creditors end up bleeding the Wayne Trusts dry including mortgaging if not selling off Wayne Manor.

Selena Kyle on the other hand having some experiences where she has to defend others where criminals appear to overwhelm the defenses already in place such as school security, and getting away before police can respond to 911 calls...

Its not too hard to work up a few back story tweaks that would give you Crime Fighting, Entrepreneurial, Cat Woman and Bat Burglar with a heart of gold Batman. Stealing to make it so he and his adoptive father/butler Alfred can continue to survive in the caves beneath where Wayne manor use to stand.

Anonymous said...

The Comic: Batman not realizing he was bleeding all over the place was pretty much my only problem, yet again.

Your Arc: I was wondering if you'd ever get called on some of the stuff you've pulled since, at least, going up against Vyce. The first time, that is.

Fiery Little One

Stoi said...

It's about time someone told him off. I haven't been happy with Linkara since he completely ignored his friends vanishing mysteriously for months on end. Hell, the Ninja disappeared right under his nose and he didn't do a damn thing. I understand the need to draw out the plot, from a storytelling perspective, but that is not how anyone should treat their friends.

Anyway, yep, really enjoying this storyline! Hoping we get back to Holokara soon - he scares the crap out of me and it is delightful. xD

Lizard-Man said...

I just wanna say, that I still think Steph is not being used cause DC hates her for some reason, I was just stating something my friend said as a reasonable justificatio nfor why things are the way they are currently.

So PopCultureOtaku, just wanted to clear that up.

Anonymous said...

So does this imply that alternate universes function under different rules of morality? In arbitrary world number 35, is using babies as clay pigeons an act of heroism?

Rabbi Joe said...

One of my first comics, at age 7, was Batman #381, written by none other than Doug Moench. I don't remember much of it (this was 1984-5), but I do remember Robin (Jason Todd) confronting a character named Nocturna. In her bedroom. In her lingerie.
I'm sure this was a comment on the dehumanizing facets of the patriarchy in the graphic medium.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"So does this imply that alternate universes function under different rules of morality? In arbitrary world number 35, is using babies as clay pigeons an act of heroism?"

More that magic operates under different rules. Comicron One has engines that utilize raw magical energy suspended within its temporal and dimensional shields, so they exist outside the confines of this universe's rules for magic.

Daniel Powers said...

Awsome vid as usually sir. Really likin where the magic gun arc is going. Keep it up sir. Keep it up.

Mitchell Clarke said...

Wait they don't want to use Steph Brown? They messed up Cassandra Cain fyi I got into comics cause of what I heard about her. My god DC I jump into comics only to be kicked out of comics due to crappy treatment of characters I started to love. Also HUMAN BODIES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!

Gus (Masteroflag) said...

I sort of thought When you explained Malachite was the exception you'd got with a different approach.

I mean he thought he was right correct? Wouldn't it naturally be that he was so old and powerful that even his very soul thought he was in the right as it slowly turned over the years?

Meanwhile humans normally can't because we grow old and die too fast for such effects to take place in our souls, and anyone extending their lives usually do it for selfish reasons to explain away why no other sage has done this and why more could come.

Just a thought though.

Pete Cotten said...

okay, since no one else seems to have figured it out, or at least hasn't posted their thoughts on it, i'm going to call it now:

the Gunslinger is a hero. he got word somehow, perhaps from his own gun, that there was a threat brewing in our world. he somehow sensed the darkness in Linkara's soul and believed him to be the threat and attacked.

Rabbi Joe said...

Obviously there must be a prequel comic in which Bane (in a bikini, of course) breaks her back to allow her to bend like that.
It's not only the "Witch!" epithet which is incongruously puritanical. Extramarital sex is a no-no, so the comic has to marry them off, and abortion (in week four) is not even considered. It also seems like the comic wants to shuffle Selina off before she starts showing--that would be gross! But this is a comic about empowered women, right?
Is it just me, or do her parents in the painting look EXACTLY like her and Bruce?

Anonymous said...

so.. if magic cant be evil- what about the evil that is ANCIENT EGYPT? *plays star wars imperial march*

Anonymous said...

All in all seems like an alright Catwoman comic to me. By that, I mean it'll $ell.

As for the storyline, can you define evil? Really, it seems as though you are defining it as being selfish & greedy which doesn't make any sense.

On a rational level, helping others(most of the time) is no different than helping yourself because they exist as part of your environment with co-existence being far more preferable to your continued existence, especially as additional help(read power) in the event you run into someone who doesn't want to co-exist for whatever reason(or lack thereof).

Likewise, greed is good. Wanting more is a good thing, it means climbing the whole damn mountain instead of being content to make it only a quarter of the way up. Things only go wrong when you want what is unreasonable or act toward a reasonable goal in an irrational manner.

Note that I'm seeing the outline of evil here from a purely rational point of view. If I were to go with an argument of morality, it would degenerate into a list of "do's" and "do nots" on which please give us a list to go by. We already have the first on the list:

Do not be a dick

Anonymous said...

so in the previously on the robot K9 reminds me of an old IRC server called Chatnet

Trupie Entertainment said...

Great job on the review as always Linkara, but an absolutely genius job with the running metaplot.

I had surmised that the malfunction of the gun was related to Showkara's personality change since his speech after defeating the gunslinger, but those clips at the end, all those little jokes, one-liners and asides that we took for granted or dismissed as "rule-of-funny". Seeing them all at once cemented the masterstroke of your writing. If this really WAS planned, it must have been years in the making.

Either way, it was absolutely brilliant. Steven Moffat could take a page from your book. Keep up the good work!

Jarkes said...

This is insane!

Linkara is evil now?

And it yurns out that all wizards are good?

WHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTTTT?

First of all, Linkara was NEVER evil! Those clips are used out of context and blown out of proportion! Linkara is supposed to be the paragon of justice and honor, a humble and honest and heroic man! There was no indication whatsoever that Linkara was evil or was turning evi in any of the videos!

And that whole "wizards are always good" thing is bullshit! What about Malachite? What about the Gatekeeper and the Gatecleaner? What about Juno the Sorceress, who was always meant to be a villain? This has no basis in any past videos!

And what's with this "Margaret" crap? The Girl in the Magic Gun has no name! The name "Margaret" hasn't come up in any videos before this, which means it clearly isn't canon!

I'm sorry, but I will not stand for this! This video contains far too many violations of canon! And I care A LOT about preserving the canon of a bunch of silly internet shows about reviewing crappy stuff! The canon of the That Guy With the Glasses videos MUST be maintained, and I am the only one responsable for maintaining it! Canon must be followed ALWAYS! ALWAYS!

Does nobody else see why it's so bad to break canon? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

KHoyt said...

This may sound a bit rude but when I read comics, I focus on faces. My eyes just slide right over anything else except when you push them into my face. Why do you force me to look at those parts of female anatomy when I don't want to?

libraryguy said...

Hmm... I hate to say this, but I think that the "power loss" section needed to be more fleshed out. So magic can't be used for evil, except when it can? I can buy Malachite finding some way around that, seeing as how the hand and Aeon's Ring already break the rules, but what about the Cloaks and the Witch? They didn't go as far as they could have, but they were clearly in "kill them all" mode when they used their magic.

Is there something I just don't get, or are there more explanations to come?

bluehero said...

With the ending of this review, here's something I thought should happen next in the story, if Lewis hasn't done so already, regarding Linkara turning evil:
Linkara will completely ignore everything the Wizard has just said and continue on, believing he still knows best. Then eventually there will come a point where Linkara becomes so full of himself and believes himself to be greater than God himself that it will cost him greatly. Basically, I think Linkara should face something similar to the end of The Waters of Mars. Would it work? Yes? No?

Hoopdoop bluhbluh said...

So the magical laws of one universe don't apply to a being originating form a universe with different laws...

an intriguing concept (If I'm understanding it correctly). It sounds like there would be a bad reaction if magic from one universe came into contact with magic from another though...

Unknown said...

Really Lew....Really you're gonna say "DC allows someone doing this but DC doesn't allow X, Y and Z"? Did you forget the editorial teams have changed atleast 5 times on the lower levels and 3 times on the higher levels, since this was probably okayed in late '98/early '99. These two reviews are coming off as a low for you man.

Shanya Almafeta said...

It's odd how the art is technically fine - coloring, linework, shading, backgrounds, proportions, all the nines - but the designs are not. The costumes are poorly designed, frame composition is off, and poses are awkward. Why didn't the editor catch this in the sketches? This is a decent concept and a decent artist in need of a decent editor.

*finishes review*

... seriously, no editor at all? Geeze.

Unknown said...

hmmmm Lewis it was raining during that final sccene....not night time still

Unknown said...

That's annoying to say the least of Margret's actions during this story arc. Especially as Again, no warning or anything just ZAP!

Also, your explanation of why someone evil hasn't taken over the world is faulty, because the cost of their power doesn't always have to be at their own sacrifice. Like Margret's sacrifice to become the gun didn't technically cost her parents much for the deal itself (and her growing hateful toward them was unexpected). Cult leaders have devout followers, who are all for the cause and would probably willingly become weapons on the level of Margret, if not HIGHER. It's just something I want to point out, as someone who is more into the knowingly sacrificial and pact side of magic. Rather than the unyielding internal source that Linkara's magic seems to be.

I know you're a canon junkie, who likes to have all his bases cover, but I'd leave it open ended more. Also, not make it so black and white. namely with this line: "A god or a demon bestows a 'boon' on some poor sap, forgetting to mention that there's always a price." As some people will ask the price or know the price (and possible side effects) before doing the ritual but still commit to it anyway. Also for the Wizard to say "Every wizard who attempted to take over the world has lost their power." is kinda limiting your universes range. As there'd probably those who almost accomplished it through sacrificial and honor pacts, but other magical folk had to put them down, or they slipped up and ended up breaking a pact.

So this seems like you're probably going to have to go Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White on this one.

Adaminator1 said...

Predicting that this will end up with Linkara facing an alter ego of himself who has turned evil and battling him! owo;;

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Hmm... I hate to say this, but I think that the "power loss" section needed to be more fleshed out. So magic can't be used for evil, except when it can? I can buy Malachite finding some way around that, seeing as how the hand and Aeon's Ring already break the rules, but what about the Cloaks and the Witch? They didn't go as far as they could have, but they were clearly in "kill them all" mode when they used their magic."

As was said in the episode, magic could also be used for DEFENSE. Intention DOES go a long way into it, but eventually there comes a breaking point. Recall also that a lot of the attacks never seem to HIT anyone. ^_~

Or, you can just say it's a continuity hiccup and my mistake when I came up with this. XD

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"So the magical laws of one universe don't apply to a being originating form a universe with different laws...

an intriguing concept (If I'm understanding it correctly). It sounds like there would be a bad reaction if magic from one universe came into contact with magic from another though..."

Partially - they still need some sort of protection from the physical laws of one universe to another. Recall that Vyce was terrified of his suit being damaged because he can't survive without it in some universes.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"I know you're a canon junkie, who likes to have all his bases cover, but I'd leave it open ended more. Also, not make it so black and white. namely with this line: "A god or a demon bestows a 'boon' on some poor sap, forgetting to mention that there's always a price." As some people will ask the price or know the price (and possible side effects) before doing the ritual but still commit to it anyway. Also for the Wizard to say "Every wizard who attempted to take over the world has lost their power." is kinda limiting your universes range. As there'd probably those who almost accomplished it through sacrificial and honor pacts, but other magical folk had to put them down, or they slipped up and ended up breaking a pact."

I tried to keep it vague enough so that there's plenty of history that isn't widely known that could be explored later should I choose to do so - the occasional sorcerer still around, weapons and artifacts forged in magic rituals, that kind of thing.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Does nobody else see why it's so bad to break canon? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!"

...Considering Jarkes has already made several posts in this comment thread that do not match with this one, and given that the nature of it concerns comments made in the "To Boldly Flee, Part 2" comment section between him and The Exiled One...

Yeah, I don't think this is really him and, in fact, matches Exiled One's writing style. If I'm wrong in my assumption, then I apologize, but Exiled One? Allow me to make something clear here: I do not, nor will I ever tolerate impersonating another individual.

You pull this crap again and you will never post here again.

lorellashray said...

But you can't be certain of who is who in the internet.

Look at me, for example. Maybe I'm the real lorellashray...or maybe not. Maybe I'm female...or maybe I'm male. Maybe I'm just a random internet commenter...or maybe I'm one of your friends. I could be Joe Vargas or Brad Jones for all you know. Hell, maybe I'm your own father, or your brother. You just don't know.

CapitalRadioTwo said...

I agree, this stupid impersonating gag is pointless and unfunny. We all know the real Jarkes has no issues with the continuity stuff in your show, it's only the fact that people want to add a backstory to Insano's character that pisses him off. Insano is not supposed to have a backstory, and we all know that, but Exiled One is too much of an immature prick to let it go. Trust me, I've seen my share of childish douchebags, but Exiled One takes the fucking cake. But don't mind him, Lewis: I think your show is great, your storyline is great, and I'm excited to see how the story continues from here, especially now that Margaret is more focused on and more developed. Thumbs up!

Jarkes said...

What the fuck!? I didn't say that! I swear to God, I didn't say that!

Exiled One, who the hell do you think you are? Pulling something like this...it doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look stupid and immature! I mean, seriously, I make ONE comment about Insano (and by the way: no, that whole "Insano as a split personality" isn't canon, Spoony never meant for it to be canon)...and he reacts in the most childish way possible! Seriously, Lewis, why do you put up with this? This kind of trollish behavior just distracts us from what we are all here for: your awesome reviews and your exciting storylines!

Eathan Davis said...

The storyline is getting really interesting, keep up the good work Linkara.

ngrey651 said...

There is really only one issue that really made me go "Oh, come ON" when I read this story, and it's something that is SO annoying and SO repetitive that it's now actually gotten lip service in the new JLA comic and even appeared in the old Batman cartoon. And it's this: the idea of a hero "creating" a villain or "inviting" evil onto them.

Buuuuuulllcrap. As Spoony said, it doesn't make you RESPONSIBLE for what evil people do just because YOU went out seeking to do good stuff! I don't see no smoking gun in Catwoman's hand. Being evil does not absolve you of responsibility for your actions. It just becomes an excuse. Rather than admit that they are the cause of their own circumstances or unfortunate losses, a villain will pin the blame on a hero for somehow drawing "attention" to their family or friends or "inspiring" them to committ crime, etc, etc.

Worse still in a story is when we see this: a hero saying she "created" a villain because they got "inspired" by them. Ah, no! You should be mad! They took something that stood for something good and decent and DESECRATED it. The refuusal to take responsibility makes me think back to Pollo's alternate self, what made him turn into Mechakara. Pollo clearly has free will. The fact that he blames all humans just because he was ANNOYED with how ONE human made him help him with a comic review show only shows how weak a motivation he has, the same with Lord Vyce, who's really only in it because he likes the idea that HE'S the only one who can defeat the most evil evil ever...and who, of course, blames Linkara and refuses to listen to him even after the Entity is dead. A classic case of ignoring basic facts because...hey, he's evil, he has no time for your LOGIC!

Actually, I have to admit something, Lewis. When Vyce showed up again and insisted that Linkara had faked the Entity's death, I had to scratch my head. HOW could Linkara have faked it?

1. He thought Vyce was light years away off on some planet. Why would he need to make a fake "meeting and beating the Entity" little skit?

2. Let's assume he DID make that skit. WHERE would he find the time to do it on ComicCron1, stuck off in one corner of the ship with Lord Vyce fooling around with the ship's controls? Did he rush off to the teleporters, beam down, get Nineties Kid and everyone else to perform the "skit" and then rush back up to go back to reviewing his comic?
3. How would Linkara even know what the Entity was like, how it talked, how it looked, anything like that? Vyce seems convinced that Linkara did a perfect emulation of the Entity, but Linkara had no IDEA what the Entity was like in the slightest until it was right in front of him. He would never be able to prepare for something if he had no idea what it looked like, sounded like, acted like, etc, etc..

I'm sorry, but that part of the Pollo returns storyline always made me wince.

Konsolero said...

Sry to say but i didn´t like the review (and also the one last week). I think it´s mostly because the comic is basically a crappy version of "let´s make catwoman into batman".Yes i agree this comic was aweful but from my point of view there wasn´t really much comedian potential.

But since i´m watching your show for quite a while now, i know that there is more entertaining stuff to come (Marville #3 looks promising).

However i liked the "previously on" and the Story Part. I really feel that this is a story arc where Linkara grows and has to reflect his past behaviour if he wants to get his magic power back.

SynjoDeonecros said...

I have to agree with the people saying that your explanation for how magic works in your universe makes no sense; out of the "historical" evil witches and wizards out there, there's Circe, the many wizards in the bible (the ones associated with Ramses, comes to mind), Morgan le Fae, the sorcerers hired by Hitler to help him win World War 2, etc. Even limiting it to actual witches and wizards to not be entrenched in mythology... there are none, just like there aren't any actual GOOD wizards and witches in real life that actually have powers. So, yeah, Mr. Wizard there is talking out of his ass.

Daniel T. Stack said...

>^d0b^< Meowth is pestering me saying this was about cat woman right? Not about Dr Insano? Shouldn't that be on a video that at least includes him or saved for Spoony's forum? You know where Noah could see the criticism on his character?

Any way we could get comic companies to place all boob sock or overly constrained costume drawing books sold in S&M sections instead of sitting out with general audience comics?

Seems Bold and italic are allowed but underline is not.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"3. How would Linkara even know what the Entity was like, how it talked, how it looked, anything like that? Vyce seems convinced that Linkara did a perfect emulation of the Entity, but Linkara had no IDEA what the Entity was like in the slightest until it was right in front of him. He would never be able to prepare for something if he had no idea what it looked like, sounded like, acted like, etc, etc..

I'm sorry, but that part of the Pollo returns storyline always made me wince."

Hence why he offered TWO possibilities - either it was a fake record by Linkara... or the Entity faked its own demise. He'd hardly have believed it, anyway - the idea you could TALK the Entity to death.

Anonymous said...

wait a second... if batman killed selina's parents, how old is he? he must have been at least an adult when she was a kid, which makes him like 2o years older than him.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"wait a second... if batman killed selina's parents, how old is he? he must have been at least an adult when she was a kid, which makes him like 2o years older than him."

I was going to bring that up, but on closer inspection of the flashback at the end of issue 2, he looks more like he's a teenager, sooo only a few years older than Selina.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"have to agree with the people saying that your explanation for how magic works in your universe makes no sense; out of the "historical" evil witches and wizards out there, there's Circe, the many wizards in the bible (the ones associated with Ramses, comes to mind), Morgan le Fae, the sorcerers hired by Hitler to help him win World War 2, etc. Even limiting it to actual witches and wizards to not be entrenched in mythology... there are none, just like there aren't any actual GOOD wizards and witches in real life that actually have powers. So, yeah, Mr. Wizard there is talking out of his ass."

Circe is mythological, not historical. The bible, in its many translations, actually also can be used as "those who use magic with evil intent," and even then - biblical history is not necessarily 100% accurate, Morgan La Fae is mythological, and sorcerers hired by Hitler... well, you notice that Hitler LOST, right? ;D

Nate said...

Hmm... for the main storyline you seem to be following aIntentions versus actions theme. (Should a man be judged by his actions or by his intentions?) Very interesting.

While the Linkara character has been selfish in the past, I personally suspect the magic gun may have an ulterior motive....

Daniel T. Stack said...

3 criteria for Judgement.
1 Currently under attack by them.
2 Content of Character.
3 Fruits of their labor.

Someone attacks you don't worry about the rest until they are no longer attacking.

#2 How do they treat others. Do they help people? Do they care? Are they self sacrificing? How do they act and what kind of person are they is a solid basis to make a judgement on.

And lastly Fruits of their labor. Does what they produce enrich or corrupt? Do they create good things? I think AT4W has with its reviews helped give a boost to the comic industry in spite of how many things it has done to drive away the customer base.

Atop the Fourth Wall a force for Good.

This comic that was reviewed. Not good. Rotten Fruit. I judge the writer and artist to both be agents of Evil.

QuetzaDrake said...

I'll say that while I disagree completely on the "being selfish turns you evil" thing, it does raise a couple interesting philosophical questions.

I personally feel that just plainly establishing that selfishness as leading towards evil is ridiculous, since there can certainly be evil selfless people and good selfish people, and also since being selfish doesn't necessarily constitute being evil (considering life-or-death survival scenarios can lead to selfishness from simple instinct to stay alive). However, it CAN raise a few questions about the nature of "good and evil", like, is good or evil an inherent quality about a person as a whole or is it the sum of the actions they do (or the nature of the actions themselves)? Does being selfish at all, even if it's for the greater benefit of yourself and/or others, still count as a "bad" thing to be or do? Can a person really, at their core, change from good to bad just from doing selfish, egotistical things?

So, yeah, while I think establishing that, in this story, being self-centered and egotistical just straight-up and 100% undeniably leads to going from 'hero' to 'villain' like a gas gauge going from F to E, I do respect that it's a subject that does inspire and raise philosophical debate.

JB said...

"Of course! Don't you know anything about magic?"
I just loved that bit and the fact that someone actually explains magic.

Master Control Cynic said...

Hang on, was MISSINGNO magic? Or was what he was doing just natural to him, like a cobras poison.?

Anonymous said...

I have to disagree with the whole "selfishness turns you evil" point, because, if you think about it, EVERYTHING we do is out of selfishness to some extent
(yeah, I know, watched too much Puella Magi Madoka Magica)

And let's be fair, Stephanie Brown was a mere placeholder until DC found a way to bring back Barbara Gordon, since Dido wanted a white Batgirl

But hey, Flamebird has just recovered from her injuries, and may soon return into action (she's already preparing for a re-match with The Hook)

J-Shap said...

Funny you brought up that point about how unnatural that kiss looks, because I actually have the panel from Hush with Batman and Catwoman kissing as the wallpaper on my laptop. I looked back at it and noticed that you're completely right; there head's are slightly tilted in opposite directions, whereas in this book they both stand perfectly straight and it looks like they're trying to suck each other up.

This comic was awful, plain and simple, and you're not alone on Moench's writing. While many writers of that era like Chris Claremont or Marv Wolfman were definitely guilty of very melodramatic dialogue and cheesy narration, Moench is in a whole other category. I don't think I've ever seen a mainstream with such an awful tendency towards faux-poetic nausea-inducing dialogue as this guy, with a complete refusal to show instead of tell. I recently picked up the first Knightfall trade, which he co-wrote, and having him and Chuck Dixon alternate really does show just how awful he is. The issue where Bane breaks Batman's has gone down as a classic moment but the actual writing is atrocious, as Moench goes on and on with the narration with Batman talking about how exhausted he is how his muscles are worn and his veins throb as if the 10 issues leading up hadn't already hammered in how tired Bats is supposed to be. A genuine hack.

P.S.: I think Dan DiDio must have read the last issue of Batgirl and decided "NO, IT'S THE END IF I WANT TO BE!"

SynjoDeonecros said...

Circe is mythological, not historical. The bible, in its many translations, actually also can be used as "those who use magic with evil intent," and even then - biblical history is not necessarily 100% accurate, Morgan La Fae is mythological, and sorcerers hired by Hitler... well, you notice that Hitler LOST, right? ;D

As I said, except for the Hitler mages, which are themselves entrenched in urban legend, there are no actual "real" historical sorcerers or mages, good or evil, that could be scrutinized by the rules set by Mr. Wizard here. All of the mages that we know of are mythological, and in that case, there are a ton of examples of evil mages that don't get their magic from otherworldly beings. So, either way, I'm still saying Mr. Wizard is pulling the "magic of this world cannot be used for evil" thing out of his ass, sorry.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"As I said, except for the Hitler mages, which are themselves entrenched in urban legend, there are no actual "real" historical sorcerers or mages, good or evil, that could be scrutinized by the rules set by Mr. Wizard here. All of the mages that we know of are mythological, and in that case, there are a ton of examples of evil mages that don't get their magic from otherworldly beings. So, either way, I'm still saying Mr. Wizard is pulling the "magic of this world cannot be used for evil" thing out of his ass, sorry. "

Well, the broader point I was trying to make with that is that you haven't read any history books that stated an evil wizard tried to take over the world, since conquest and domination are not exactly GOOD things, and thus anyone who tried quickly found themselves without magic to back them up very quickly.

Essentially trying to put in some real world logic about the fact that there are no real wizards and sorcerers and, within universe, here's why you've never heard of them before.

Jarkes said...

"What the fuck!? I didn't say that! I swear to God, I didn't say that!

Exiled One, who the hell do you think you are? Pulling something like this...it doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look stupid and immature! I mean, seriously, I make ONE comment about Insano (and by the way: no, that whole "Insano as a split personality" isn't canon, Spoony never meant for it to be canon)...and he reacts in the most childish way possible! Seriously, Lewis, why do you put up with this? This kind of trollish behavior just distracts us from what we are all here for: your awesome reviews and your exciting storylines!"

Just to be clear, I didn't say this stuff either. If I had known about this sooner, I might've said something to this effect, but I would've been a lot nicer about it.

Anonymous said...

""As I said, except for the Hitler mages, which are themselves entrenched in urban legend, there are no actual "real" historical sorcerers or mages, good or evil, that could be scrutinized by the rules set by Mr. Wizard here. All of the mages that we know of are mythological, and in that case, there are a ton of examples of evil mages that don't get their magic from otherworldly beings. So, either way, I'm still saying Mr. Wizard is pulling the "magic of this world cannot be used for evil" thing out of his ass, sorry. "

Well, the broader point I was trying to make with that is that you haven't read any history books that stated an evil wizard tried to take over the world, since conquest and domination are not exactly GOOD things, and thus anyone who tried quickly found themselves without magic to back them up very quickly.

Essentially trying to put in some real world logic about the fact that there are no real wizards and sorcerers and, within universe, here's why you've never heard of them before.
"



Actually for both sides from most mythologies I've read neither side is ever successful as a lot stories that deal with magic users and the whole fight for Good and Evil neither side is ever allowed to win. There's normally a rule of balance... basically if one side ever wins both sides will loose as Good can't exist without Evil and vince-versa!
Simple example in LotR universe Gandalf is an Avatar for good and basically will be reborn or brought back to life in some form or other after he dies as will Sauron as basically the Devil in that world.
If that example isn't that good read this: http://library.thinkquest.org/C0118142/themes/goodvers.php

Lewis Lovhaug said...

Okay, since apparently lots of people feel the need to impersonate Jarkes, Jarkes can you actually send me an e-mail and specify exactly what you DID say?

Anonymous said...

Just curious Linkara, but are the parallels between Lord Vyce and Linkara the character intentional (Both believe they are doing what's best, rely on a combination of magic and technology and both have their intentions corrupted by their pride, along with Lord Vyce temporarily having his own versions of Pollo and Liz as part of his team) or am I just reading too much into this?

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Just curious Linkara, but are the parallels between Lord Vyce and Linkara the character intentional (Both believe they are doing what's best, rely on a combination of magic and technology and both have their intentions corrupted by their pride, along with Lord Vyce temporarily having his own versions of Pollo and Liz as part of his team) or am I just reading too much into this?"

You are, but that's actually not a bad idea at all. XD That's some spiffy thinking. ^_^

And Jarkes has e-mailed me and confirmed that he did not write the initial response to whomever first imitated him. Please note that I don't appreciate that kind of thing happening on my comments section and if I start seeing it happen again, I will begin deleting posts, which I am not fond of doing, but will do if I have to.

The Blue And The Gold said...

"Just curious Linkara, but are the parallels between Lord Vyce and Linkara the character intentional (Both believe they are doing what's best, rely on a combination of magic and technology and both have their intentions corrupted by their pride, along with Lord Vyce temporarily having his own versions of Pollo and Liz as part of his team) or am I just reading too much into this?"

"(You are, but that's actually not a bad idea at all. XD That's some spiffy thinking. ^_^)"

I said something similar on FaceBook recently, so I guess it's good that I too can find out my theory was a little too thought out XD
Not that I'm accusing anyone of copying, because that's stupid, it's neat that someone reached the same conclusion I did.

Though I guess this means my theory of "Almost every villain is a dark reflection of one of Linkara's traits" and comparing the Linkara character and his villains to Batman and his rogues gallery is bunk now, which means the Entity probably isn't a representation of the ego running rampant and being all "I AM the most important being in the universe and I AM the universe!"
(yes I know it's not an alternate Linkara, Lewis, I'm just trying to sound all smartified XD)

Anonymous said...

If Margaret took away Linkara's magic because he was turning evil, then who was that Gunslinger? Someone searching for the Magic Gun containing Margaret? An illusion created by Margaret to test Linkara? Someone that has no connection to either Linkara or Margaret that just popped up out of nowhere looking for enchanted firearms and triggered Linkara to cook his own goose with that arrogant speech about his victories and how nothing can stop him?

Tyler said...

Wait a minute wasn't Brooks (aka Bizarro Alfred) saying last issue that Selina should settle down, what the hell change between issues, the writes could even keep there stupid characters consistent.

Canadian Otaku Gamer said...

Why does DC hate Stephanie Brown so much? She was awesome as Batgirl. Considering how they shafted Cassandra Caine too, I get the impression DC Editorial hates any Batgirl that isn't Babs Gordon.

Since you mentioned the first Batman movie, I have to wonder... Did Moench rip off the ending of that movie for this? 'Cause Batman dies in this comic a lot like the Joker did in the movie.

Anonymous said...

@Tyler: In reluctant defense for the comic, there's a difference between eventually settling down and marrying someone you barely know and who says they're a secret agent.

Unknown said...

Reading these comments, an idea as to who or what the mysterious gunner is came to mind - maybe he's someone who has a gun similar to Margaret, and either he or his gun also sensed that Margaret's owner, IE Linkara, might end up becoming evil, and wanted to prevent that? It's just a theory, and I assume Lewis already has plans for it, but I might as well throw in my guess with everyone else, right?

I mean, apparently there are ways to notice things like that... Margaret might be able to tell more easily since she shares a connection with Linkara, but the wizard here just looks at him and goes "Yeah, by the way, you seem to be slowly turning evil, even though it's still in an early stage and could probably be stopped at this point, but you have to do it yourself" (I know, I know, very much cut down and simplified), so maybe there's a way to notice from a distance too? Especially if Margaret and the gunner's magic gun have some sort of connection, whether they actually knew eachother when they were alive, or if the same kind of ritual was used, or they were made at the same time or by the same people... or maybe all magic (sentient) weapons have some sort of connection to eachother... just thowing out guesses here and don't expect to actually get a written reply on this - we'll probably all find out soon enough, and so far this plot seems pretty cool. Then again, I've enjoyed every single plot since the very beginning, soooo... I'm just looking forward to the show, as always :)

Daniel T. Stack said...

In the end worst case scenario if people start jumping on the continuity of the Wizard's statement you can always fall back on. "That's how Margret's and Linkara's magic works. And the Wizard is just a Wizard, powerful yes, but not a god. He doesn't know everything."

Blackcat325 said...

I wonder if, with the walking on tippy-toes thing, and some of the strange poses, they were trying to allude to cat-like behaviour? For example, one reminded me of the way a cat stalks with its chin on the ground and its back end up... Doesn't make it any less ridiculous, though. And it doesn't explain any of the weird stuff happening with her boobs, either.

“Of course. Don't you know anything about magic?” = best line!

This storyline is gets better all the time. I love that you included a clip of Linkara's speech from the Silent Hill Dead/Alive #5 review. I've mentioned before, that scene has always really bugged me, for the kind of reasons this story arc is about – Linkara declaring himself undefeatable, moments after he was essentially defeated (he pulled the trigger – Margaret saved him), and rewriting a little of his own history in the process (liberator of Kickassia?).

But you know the best thing about this? You reminded me of the one moment when Linkara-character has annoyed the hell out of me, the one thing that I really wanted to see someone call him out on in exactly the way that Steve did now... and yet I still got sad at the look on his face when he's thinking about it all. So, yeah, you managed to make me angry at him when he was the hero, and then to pity him when he's confirmed turning evil, and when someone is finally confronting him with the very thing that made me angry in the first place. Stop messing with my head, damn it! :)

Seriously, a very clever story and a clever way to use some of the past scenes – I'm really enjoying the twists this story is taking.

One other thing... re one of the other comments here... I never really thought about it before but, yeah, that scene was a lovely way to end Liz's time on the show.

Anonymous said...

ctrl+f Brooks, no result mentions it... don't tell me I am the only guy who noticed that in her first scene in this issue Brooks' face and hand looks like she's doing something quite different from cleaning. I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be holding the fan that way.

Also - there is older bit of foreshadowing than those you put in. This plot dates waay back to the video about heroes turning evil.

Anonymous said...

"Hmm... I hate to say this, but I think that the "power loss" section needed to be more fleshed out. So magic can't be used for evil, except when it can? I can buy Malachite finding some way around that, seeing as how the hand and Aeon's Ring already break the rules, but what about the Cloaks and the Witch? They didn't go as far as they could have, but they were clearly in "kill them all" mode when they used their magic."

But they just tried to protect dangerous artifact from bunch of selfish jerks.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"ctrl+f Brooks, no result mentions it... don't tell me I am the only guy who noticed that in her first scene in this issue Brooks' face and hand looks like she's doing something quite different from cleaning. I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be holding the fan that way."

Nope! You're the first person to bring that up!

...AND OH DEAR GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. DX

Anonymous said...

To quote Just Some Random Guy, "Continuity. Boom!"

Mask said...

During the wizard's speech I noticed that the language match'd your writing voice. Don't know if it was all in the word choice, timing and rhythm, or exactly the origin, but it's noticeable to me. Not that a style is a bad thing, just an observation.

Love the plot direction. I remember you saying a long time ago that Linkara isn't really a hero, and kind of a dick. Fantastic use of clips. Have to wonder how far in advance this was plan'd or you were just suddenly struck one day by a good idea.

Nearly all of the best entertainment I take part in comes from the internet. Eagerly awaiting the next episode.

Nic Stiz said...

"'Question:if magic can only be used for good in your world,how come Mechakara could have used the magic coin?'

Vyce's enhancements let him, since the magical energy he utilizes comes from a different world with different rules for how magic operates."

In that case, how was Mechakara able to use the magic gun WAY back in the Power Rangers review? If the magic gun and the magic coin both operate on the rules of magic in this world, then Mechakara should not have been able to fire the gun.

And you can't say that the laws of magic of Mechakara's universe are tied closer to someone's physical/biological form than their personal soul (which Mechakara may or may not have, being an A.I., and you have said in the stinger that the mind and soul are two different things), because then he shouldn't have needed Vyce's enhancements to use the magic coin.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"In that case, how was Mechakara able to use the magic gun WAY back in the Power Rangers review? If the magic gun and the magic coin both operate on the rules of magic in this world, then Mechakara should not have been able to fire the gun."

As Linkara pointed out in the episode, the gun was forged in a terrible ritual. It's utilizing magic not of this world.

Anonymous said...

""ctrl+f Brooks, no result mentions it... don't tell me I am the only guy who noticed that in her first scene in this issue Brooks' face and hand looks like she's doing something quite different from cleaning. I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be holding the fan that way."
Nope! You're the first person to bring that up!
...AND OH DEAR GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. DX
"



13:38- I'm not saying Jim Balent is a swiper (Read this for more info on that term: http://www.cracked.com/article_18984_6-comic-book-easter-eggs-that-stuck-it-to-man_p2.html ), but the more I look at that image the more I'm convinced he might have traced/stolen that image/pose from a certain kind of adult entertainment. He should really just go a head and work for Legio.

Nic Stiz said...

"As Linkara pointed out in the episode, the gun was forged in a terrible ritual. It's utilizing magic not of this world."

Alright, but if the gun was able to shut down Linkara's ties to magic, shouldn't she have been able to do the same for Mechakara? Or was Mechakara able to bypass whatever the gun could do when he adapted to it's energy signature?

Also, as far as the continuity error of the Witch and Cloak #1 being able to use that magic, you could argue that Jaffers learned a thing or two from Malachite that allowed the Gauntlet's Protector's to go beyond what you're supposed to do with magic. ^_^

Rowan LeFey said...

Well... Welcome to the Dark Side. *throws cookies*

Also, in this world, magic doesn't work like that. But whatever you put out energy-wise comes back three fold.

And lastly, there is such a thing as a tactical corset. But what Catwoman was wearing is actually a Bustier. The confusion is understandable. The more You know

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or did the Catwoman movie take its villain's backstory from this comic's two-face? That's... just annoying.

frice2000 said...

Someone else mentioned this in regards to Steph so here's the article: http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/08/24/batgirl-and-friends-gail-simones-rejected-pitch-to-save-stephanie-brown/ . Yes Miller AND Simone. I would've bought at least 2 copies a month of that. Would've been glorious. Also in regards to her thigh belt in one of the later issues of the Batgirl V3 comic one of the villains manages to get that thigh belt off of her...and it's empty. She only wears it because she likes how it looks. Stephanie knows it isn't practical. DAMN I loved that run. So much personality in Stephanie Brown. She was the reason I got into reading DC Comics that run was glorious and Miller is a superb writer.

Anyway, as to your story here I so called the whole you becoming a villian bit when you got your spaceship a long time ago. Thought you were going to abuse it...And you are. You know come to think of it why aren't you threatening DC Comics with it? Bring back Stephanie or well...I've got a spaceship! Mwhaha :P. Anyway, as always thanks for the entertaining review.

The Golux said...

I think they were trying to suggest that Batman was a split personality from Bruce; there were a couple things suggesting it in what you showed (The "Two on my own" thing, plus earlier after selina revealed her secret identity he says something about she'll see "part of him" soon), but they probably did a very bad job of it.

Eric McLeod said...

Thank you for the Stephanie Brown rant. I'm still pissed off about DC's refusal to write about the character, whether as Batgirl or Spoiler, and yet they're perfectly fine with giving Jason Todd his own book. It's sad to see how warped DC's thought process can be.

I actually thought the Joker being the murderer in Tim Burton's Batman was a cool idea, but what sold it for me is how Batman ends up creating the Joker as well. Yes, it makes the world of Batman a bit smaller and more convenient, but it did make the conflict more personal, as if fate was forcing them to fight. However, the way it's used in this comic is really lazy. Maybe it's just because it's hard to care about these characters in the first place when they either have no motivation or exist to look sexy, but it didn't add anything here.

I'm not sure if you've seen this before, but if you're looking for a good story where Batman confronts his parents' killer, check out the episode "Chill of the Night" from Batman The Brave and the Bold. Not only is it surprisingly dark for the show, its depiction of Batman facing a moral dilemma of justice or vengeance is very compelling. He even has to deal with the angel of vengeance himself, the Spectre, egging him on to end Joe Chill's life. Now that's how you do it.

Are there any GOOD Batman Elseworlds stories you would recommend, Linkara? I like the concept of Elseworlds, since it gives writers a chance to experiment with characters without worrying about continuity or just to have a little fun, though obviously it doesn't always work.

Anonymous said...

Actually, how is Batman STILL bleeding? Think about it. To physically move that much across a city takes a while. Were those injuries bad enough that it hasn't clotted? If so then why hasn't Batman fixed the damage? Dude, you are freely bleeding from the face AND arm! You could die of blood loss!

And the ring. Batman kept it. For at least twenty-some years. He didn't just throw it out like the worthless piece of junk it was, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that he actually DID think it was worth something. Maybe it was his first murder. Maybe he couldn't get the image of the terrified little girl out of his head. Whatever the case, the fact that he bothered to keep it suggests he cared. Sure he's still a psychotic murderer, but the line about not caring at all makes no sense.

Lastly, why do all these stories have to have the woman pregnant with a daughter? Normally I wouldn't feel compelled to ask but in every story I've read with a strong independent woman (or the excuse for one they create) if she's pregnant she's going to be pregnant with a girl. Do writers realize that boys exist? Are they afraid they'll somehow ruin the super-feminist image (that they're usually failing at anyway) if they make her pregnant with a boy?

Out of curiosity Linkara, have you ever read Zenescope's Grimm Fairy Tales? I'm reminded because of the constant display of sexiness and I can never tell if I like it or not.

Gareth said...

I find it odd that the writer had Catwoman becom pregnant, she was tricked into a marriage with her arch enemy so that he could kill her and take her wealth, who turns out to be her parent's killer and she is left carrying his baby, thats more than a little messed up.

Anonymous said...

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http://www.originalbatman.com/drawings.html

Phillip said...

Maybe her breasts look bigger, because she's wearing bullet proof breast socks.

Le Messor said...

This reminds me a little of a Marvel What If; 'What If Wolverine had led Alpha Flight' - and they proceed to have all the X-Men's adventures.

I was beginning to wonder if those things on her chest are actually her... vast tracts of land... or just some sort of decorative feature.

To defend the indefinsible:
Selina's parents' death would've made the papers the next day. That would've made Bruce realise just who he'd killed - which could explain both how he knows that he 'made' Catwoman, and why he kept the ring (but not why he thought he could pawn it).

Uh, Steve the Wizard... which one of you is arrogant and power-hungry?

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque:
"Maybe the "cutting off the glove" thing is a reference to 10 Nights of the Beast?"
I was going to bring that up in my comments on pt1, but I guess I forgot.

Considering Jarkes has already made several posts in this comment thread that do not match with this one, and given that the nature of it concerns comments made in the "To Boldly Flee, Part 2" comment section between him and The Exiled One...

Linkara quoth:
"I don't think this is really him and, in fact, matches Exiled One's writing style"
I just want to say I appreciate that you read the comments in enough detail to figure this kind of thing out. You get to 'know' people - what they say and their writing styles. That's cool.

Stephanie Brown ftw!

Peter said...

I don't get your comment about Batman's killer being anonymous. We've known it was Joe Chill since 1948, which was when we learn more details about the character

Anonymous said...

Yep, I've suspected the "Linkara slowly, unknowingly slips to evil" thing for a while now. It seems every time he has a "Big Damn Hero" speech, it becomes more and more evil and narcissistic, so I thought this would happen sometime.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"I don't get your comment about Batman's killer being anonymous. We've known it was Joe Chill since 1948, which was when we learn more details about the character"

No, we knew it was Joe Chill until Crisis on Infinite Earths, which revised it so that Batman's killer was unknown. I liked it better that way.

Gareth said...

When it comes to the Waynes' murderer I don't mind it bring Joe Chill but I always dislike it when they make the murders an assassination as opposed to a random mugging. I like the idea that they were the victim of a crime that could have happened to anyone and they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time better than the idea that their deaths were planned.

Le Messor said...

Jarkes said...
"It's like Murray Gold did the music for this segment!" Isn't Murray Gold the current composer for the Doctor Who series? I'm pretty sure James Horner was the guy who composed the music for Star Trek II (and I think III-V as well, but not VI).

Yes, you're half right. It's like he's composing for it, not he is.

And you're right again: in Alien and Star Trek, Jerry Goldsmith did the first, James Horner the second.
He also did the third 'Trek, but the fourth was Lenoard Rosenman and the fifth Jerry Goldsmith (again).

Ming said...

-- This is awful, one of the worst what-if stories ever. It doesn't help that the women are drawn in the style of the Dark Ages. It doesn't help that Moench is writing this, complete with Batman as unstoppable Villain Sue who can only be stopped by Catwoman. It just boggles the mind on how they can get away from such awful crap.

-- I keep expecting them to re-introduce Stephanie Brown into the New 52 (probably as Spoiler), but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I like Barbara Gordon, but they acknowledge that there were four Robins but retcon Oracle out of canon and make no mention of the other Batgirls? With Stephanie Brown's absence, I wonder if they had completely retconned Stephanie Brown out of canon or just planning to reveal that Stephanie Brown had actually died during some unseen incident.

-- This was a dark ending. I mean, I know you tried to take over Kickassia, but then so did the Nostalgia Chick, Cinema Snob, and everyone else. I know you used Comicron-1 to destroy Douchey Mcnitpick's house, but the troll survived worse and keeps coming back (though I wonder if he's considering retirement especially after seeing Nostalgia Critic have the exact nervous breakdown over Battlefield Earth). Still, this ending made me re-examine all of Linkara's badass boasts and Linkara's recent behavior.

twoshoeeddie said...

Hi everybody, I noticed a lot of talk about Stephanie Brown no longer being allowed in DC books. I fact I'm pretty sure she has made an appearance in EVERY New 52 series, at least the first wave. In every 1st issue of the new 52 there is a purple hooded mysterious woman who looks suspiciously like...The Spoiler!

Check it out:

http://blackmercury15.imgur.com/dc_comics_the_new_52__hidden_red_hooded_character#0

My guess is they are planning a huge crisis style crossover in the near future.

Lewis Lovhaug said...

"Hi everybody, I noticed a lot of talk about Stephanie Brown no longer being allowed in DC books. I fact I'm pretty sure she has made an appearance in EVERY New 52 series, at least the first wave. In every 1st issue of the new 52 there is a purple hooded mysterious woman who looks suspiciously like...The Spoiler!"

Yeeaaah, sorry but the creators have gone on record several times saying that that is a new character called Pandora and will be the focus of the upcoming "Trinity War" event.

Arianne said...

(I watched the episode on Blip) I actually like the explanation about Magic. I now starting to think that Holocara is turning evil faster than the Real Linkara because of how the Holokara is designed and programed. I'm saying this I think that Linksano knows that it isn't wise to double cross Linkara. Also, Linkara was due for in my opinion a sorta "What the hell ? Hero!" Speech. To point out that The Dude with the Purdy hat is starting to care more about the needs of the few instead of the needs of the many . Margaret and him need to have a chat as both partner and friend Asap (Granted,I'm just catching up to the recent episodes so I don't know if that happened yet) Steve the Wizard should appear when he's needed .

Aurabolt said...

Lewis, I'm very confused. I realize what you are trying to say with Aplos, but this comes across as a Take That to someone who hasn't shown any inclinations of evil or messed up tendencies whatsoever. Linkara has defeated evil far beyond our understanding, uses his awesome magic and powers to help those of his closest allies and those around him from monster attacks, futuristic 'badasses', creatures beyond the scope of man's understanding save through his deepest fears...and quite frankly, a reigning universal overlord who made terrible, terrible decisions in his thinking that his control would lead to something better.

Now, I will admit for the record that Linkara got a little full of himself -very Tenth Doctor in Waters of Mars, I admit that- when he took down the Gunslinger. However, that's human. Everyone has thoughts like this on some level and some capacity. That doesn't make him a bad person. Hell, the Doctor was going to use his new-found abilities to subvert the laws to save others and prevent disaster and death. Sure, there was pride. That doesn't make someone unheroic.

Heroism is meant as a means to protect others and allow them better and productive lives at the expense of self through their actions, physical or mental. I don't see anything that says that a person can't take a little pride in accomplishing and enjoying what they do.

In fact, this seems to be a big problem, as heroes are generally considered to have some sort of mental deficiency which doesn't allow them to think things through or subvert traps or fight advantageously.

'You nearly killed me...when we last fought. Did you really think-that after all that-that I wouldn't prepare myself? To have new weapons in case you came back?'

This, and many other examples, show that Linkara is a rare breed of hero from where I'm standing. A smart one who prepares for a situation and reacts accordingly and with genre savvy at the ready. I wish there were more heroes like that instead of the reckless kind we have all over the place. People who are good and compassionate with brains between their cranial domes.

I guess that's what I see in the character. I don't really understand why one example of pride and superiority over one's opponents is cause for alarm, but I think Aplos-dick that he is-appears to have gotten some damn wires crossed. A lot of them. To hell with him.

Aurabolt said...

Oh, and why don't we pick apart that whole "magic in defense" thing? I'm sorry, most of his weapons are offensively-based uses of magic. The morphers are part of a techologically, magically powered grid normally which allows him to fight things beyond his scope. Are we supposed to see Linkara gimp himself to the extent that he can't use magic to fight? That's insane when most of his power sources come from magic or magical artifacts that are usable to fight.

Hell, its not like Aplos himself didn't break his own damn rules. He threatened Linkara and used his superior abilities-which he claims he can use only for defensive purposes-to intimidate him. That's superiority on a level he just blamed Linkara of possessing. Pot calling the kettle black, pal.